@lorddef

Sorry, I don't get it

In another thread someone pointed to T H I S
which has higher shipping cost outside Usa and need to be drilled to obtain the two video connectors holes.
If someone has a cheaper and easier way to have a suitable backplate, that's fine, otherwise there is at least this choice...

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Massimiliano Tretene, S o f t 3

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Mr . . . lorddef 

"Euro 8.00 and include worldwide shipping (priority mail)" would be a "ripoff"?!?

I have NO words, to comment your statement.

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@Framiga

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Fantastic!!! someone is offering a help and . . . oplà . . . the usual crap . . .

I'm sorry but in this case I wouldn't say it's the "usual crap"!

I was surprised myself when I read the topic because I haven't had any problems when fitting my A1 G4 XE into a bog std Centurion tower from Cooler Master.

Funny how it's suddenly alright to use a std backplate in the micro A1 when you can justQuote:

.....................cutting the edges of the second serial port "hole".

one may wonder how Eyetech deserves all the flack for supplying such a nonstd layout?



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Mind I have no problems with Soft3 providing a product that so many SEEM to have enormous problems with.

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I'm sorry but in this case I wouldn't say it's the "usual crap"! I was surprised myself when I read the topic because I haven't had any problems when fitting my A1 G4 XE into a bog std Centurion tower from Cooler Master.

What's wrong with offering this item to the A1XE customers who need a backplate for their case? Besides this, Soft3's customers will even get that one for free!

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one may wonder how Eyetech deserves all the flack for supplying such a nonstd layout?

Eyetech may have not used a good layout for their latest motherboard, but with dealers offering such solutions, I don't think there's much to complain about.
Even if my Amiga is not a microA1, thanks Soft3 for this nice deal!

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Well why dont you tell Mai to do it since they make the boards for eyetech?

They don't. Mai do not have a fabrication plant. It is manufactured in the far east.

Ive lost count of the number of times I have and others have mentioned this in your presence.

There is no such thing as a truly standard backplate layout. If that is all people have to nit-pick about then really ...

@Wiffy

Well.. This IS the backplate which is delivered with almost every ATX case out there.
So that's as much standard as it will ever be.

All PC (and others) motherboards which don't have a standard layout in in the back
is delivered with its own custom backplate. So should Eyetech! IMHO

The standard backplate works ok with µA1 even without clipping the edges but you
may then have problem using the S-Video & composite ports. But it's not that big a
deal to do the cutting yourself. So why order a pre clipped backplate that you already
have? That's a no no for me anyway.

But if someone wants this then it's their business of course. It's a nice thing of Soft3
to offer this help for those that do not bother to do the clipping themselves.

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@3mx

This was not an attack against you, I would just advise anyone that needs one of those things to walk into their local PC shop and ask if thay have any floating around, and they'll almost pay you to take the dam things away.

But now you mention it...

Assuming that it's 40g (not like its anywhere near that), then if it was being shipped from the UK I could ship it by royal mail air-mail for 68p + 20p for a jiffy envelope. So far I'm getting your total costs at about 93p.

Assuming that 8 euro is £5.50p it's abvious who is going to benefit from this. Just because you are cheeper than another business doesn't make it less of a ripoff, you've just seen a market that you can exploit.

@lordef

Are you joking? A market?? 8 euro for Worldwide package?

m3x has other markets in which he can make moneys, this is only an help for Amiga1 users....

Framiga is right. If a dealer search and find something usefull, and take the time to buy and resell these thing at a lower price... is making moneys.... MONEYS?

Yes i'm sure m3x can stop to sell hardware while he sell these EXPENSIVE things.

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@lorddef

About the cost, it's not that simple, from 8.00 you must detract:

- 0.66 Euro for the Paypal fee.
- 1.60 Euro for italian vat (if applicable)
- 2.50 Euro for worldwide shipping
- 0.45 Euro for the envelope
- 42% taxes from the net income (at the end of the year)

Add to this, the cost of the backplate (and no, it didn't cost 5p, especially for low quantities) time spent to package, going to the post office, reply to emails and so on.
Given that my customers will get it for free (and therefore a net loss for Soft3), sorry but I didn't see it as a big business, less as a ripoff...

@all

Not all the ATX case come with a backplate, or with a suitable one. Someone even managed to scratch it, and asked me for a replacement.

Ciao

Massimiliano Tretene, S o f t 3

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The ability of some folk to whinge is incredible.

No-one is being forced to buy this, so if you think it's a rip-off, steer clear! For those who want it, I'm sure they can work out for themselves whether the price is suitable or not.

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Yes i'm sure m3x can stop to sell hardware while he sell these EXPENSIVE things

Yeah! I suppose he could build up his whole business around these..
What was the profit per backplate now again? 50cent?

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@m3x

You shouldn't need to explain the price here!
8¤ incl. worldwide shipping is CHEAP!
I would probably had to have payed 4¤ for the shipping alone inside Sweden.

It's nice your making this effort for the community.
But this not for me, as I would like a real cutom made backplate for mine.
I would probably pay upto 12-15¤ for one.

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Thanks for your dedication, Massimiliano

Those who want to create their own custom I/O shield, here is a link with the design reference:
http://www.formfactors.org/devlist.asp?FFID=1&CatID=10

Last edited by CD32freak on 22-May-2005 at 07:11 PM.

If you take a look at the PDFs here and here, you'll notice that there is no 'standard' ATX I/O backplate layout. In fact, the example backplate layouts do not match the one m3x is selling. The only thing that is standard about ATX backplates are their width, height and placement relative to the motherboard (as pointed out by CD32Freak)... Everything else is up to the motherboard/case manufacturer (as stated in both PDFs). The fact is that the Intel Caveman backplate is one that happens to fit certain Intel motherboards and happened to be copied by other motherboard manufacturers. If you do a search on "Intel", "Caveman", and "I/O", you'll often notice that the backplates are actually reffered to as "Caveman style" backplates and not "Caveman standard". Case in point.

As an example. I got a hold of a second hand motherboard without a backplate and having the layout found in the PDFs mentioned above. But the case I bought for it came with a backplate matching the layout of the 'Caveman' backplate m3x is providing to the community. Fortunately, I had a spare matching backplate laying around from another case where I had installed a motherboard with an 'unconventional' layout. So if I hadn't had that spare, I would have been in the market for a backplate myself.

Moral of the story? A de facto standard is not always a real standard in the world of computers. (Even if it's Intel's.)


I want to make it absolutely clear! Sincerely, I'm not out to slam anyone! But this squable just seems to me to be particularly incendiary and dissentious. So I just wanted to point out some facts that might cool things down... Unfortunately, it's just as likely I've only made things worse... C'est la vie.


Got CD32Freak's handle wrong.

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Soft3 offers AmigaOne XE / microA1 backplate.

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It could be used on microA1-C and microA1-mk2 models as well, cutting the edges of the second serial port "hole".

this part concerns me. why say it works with ua1 then say it can be modified to work.
for that much money it should work with no modification.

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@ShadesOfGrey

Thanks for the info. Though the link to the first PDF in your post goes to http://ftp://download.intel.com/design/motherbd/atx_201.pdf
Either one will work, but not both at the same time

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@jkirk
I'm really thinking this is another joke.... You need simply to cut a piece. It is better to cut a part to use it on MicroA1, than adding a part to use it on an XE.

If you don't like the offer, don't buy it.

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