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Guess Piru will have to learn how to code his own player now

But shouldn't he get the sources of GPL version to compile the same exe he downloaded earlier ?

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But shouldn't he get the sources of GPL version to compile the same exe he downloaded earlier ?

I think falemagn can answer this one. He mentioned something about it over at ann.

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http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1124125054&category=news&start=1&14

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@brotheris

Why do you MOS users want this piece of software so much?
Don't you have software of your own use?

If I remember correctly there has been alot of laughing and
talking bad about there not being ANY software you would
want from OS4 (regarding the OS4 emulator).

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@Bean

Thanks for the link, hope author will reach (has reached) the agreement and don't drop the development.

@Samwel

Go and chill out, drink some beer. High blood pressure is bad for your health.

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Is this really... freedom ?! That's not what I would call "freedom"... GPL sucks, at least from that point of view.

If GPL "sucks" why bother using it at all? Write your own equivalent of liba52 or whole avcodec.library. Authors of avcodec.library nad DvPlayer did used GPL code, so they have to obey rules. If they don't, they just loose any rights to use affected sources. Period.

I do not find GPL-ed libraries really a good thing (LGPL is better in this case), but for God's sake, of one is used, then in legal way!

Good to see its back online!

Time to register.

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@brotheris

Sorry but I have been a little angry lately when reading stuff on ANN.

A more negative and BS talking site is HARD to find.
Many users think too much of themselves and some are so paranoid
they should commit themselves. Always doom and gloom over everything
about OS4 or its hardware. Why comment if the only thing you want is
talk BS. Sometimes I think some of them even believes what they write.

Sorry again, it's not directed at you but this could have been handled
alot better.

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but this could have been handled alot better.

1. This was brought to public by DVPlayer author.
2. MorphOS has stable MPlayer with overlay support
3. At last years PUSH some MOS developers showed some new OS modules, including similar library to avcodec.library, so MOS users wouldn't really gain anything from opensourcing DVPlayer.
4. It's not "red vs blue" thing, it is about respecting other peoples work you use and as you use their code, you must accept the licence they are releasing source code.

No need to scream "those evil MOS users", "the frogflowers written on ANN" (what it was so bad in that thread??). Chill out and enjoy your computing, it has to be fun

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I do not find GPL-ed libraries really a good thing (LGPL is better in this case), but for God's sake, of one is used, then in legal way!

I agree: my comment was only there to say that this licence is *not* FREEDOM at ALL...

Of course, if you decide to use it anyway, you have to follow the rules ! :)

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Piru didn't threaten Cobra.

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He reacts the same way towards MorphOS software that breaches licences and I've seen it happen.

Sorry, can't be quiet now.

MorphOS's ixemul.library wasn't available in source code for some time, and I know of people who asked to get the source code and didn't get it. So, where was Piru, a MorphOS core developer, at this time if he oh so values the GPL.

It seems some people only value something as long as it suit their needs. That's what's called hypocracy.

Sorry, this whole discussion is sick as hell. But it's the usual BS we're used to in the meantime.

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All the license talks about is the concept of "derivative work", which then the FAQ elaborates on.

Unfortunately, the term derivative works is extremely sketchy, and it's absolutely irrelevant whether the FAQ explains it or not. If you apply the license, you're bound by the license text, not what some FAQ says. And to be honest, the license text itself is sketchy at best.

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DVPlayer clearly depends on the shared library

Oh, yes ? So what makes DVplayer then "derived" from the AC-3 codec ?

The "derivative work" clause is something that I don't really get when reading the license text... honestly..

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I do not find GPL-ed libraries really a good thing (LGPL is better in this case), but for God's sake, of one is used, then in legal way!

It's great to see how many people are readily saying that DvPlayer is in violation. FWIW, only a real lawyer can tell you that, not any armchar lawyer that has a copy of GPL.txt.

If people are concerned about potential GPL violations, they should report it to the FSF and be done with it. Then, a real lawyer can look at it and say yes or no.

Anything else ("DvPlayer is illegal") is just slandering.

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MorphOS's ixemul.library wasn't available in source code for some time

Wasn't it LGPL ?

@Rogue

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Anything else ("DvPlayer is illegal") is just slandering.

Who said so ?

Why oh why tyou do this ?

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Piru didn't threaten Cobra

He didn't?

Again:
Refusal to comply will result in reporting the GPL License violation to copyright holder(s) of each breached component, and Free Software Foundation.

I think this is a typical "do this or else" kind of statement. I'd call it a threat.

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Unfortunately, the term derivative works is extremely sketchy,

Unfortunately, that's what copyright is all about. It's not GPL's fault if it's "sketchy". GPL grants you more right than you would be entitled to by default, to do that it has to deal with the "sketchy" parts of copyright laws, but that's life.

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and it's absolutely irrelevant whether the FAQ explains it or not.

The FAQ explains the point of view of the GPL authors, which is all that matters. The rationale is that in the end, if you don't agree with the author of the GPL sw on the terms of use, then the author is entitled to bring you to court and eventually the judge will decide. The FAQ is there so that you know in advance for which reasons you might be brought to court and so that you avoid to fall into those cases.

Of course, if you're a brave man and want to fight a court case, feel free to do whatever you wish with GPL code, but then accept any consequences.

And you know GPL has been tested in court already now, don't you?

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If you apply the license, you're bound by the license text, not what some FAQ says. And to be honest, the license text itself is sketchy at best.

So, what is your point? Since the license itself is sketchy (but that's just your opinion, which I don't share), you are free to do whatever you want? If you don't understand a license, or find it "sketchy" and are afraid of legal consequences, don't use the sw under that license, that easy.

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oh, yes ? So what makes DVplayer then "derived" from the AC-3 codec ?

DVPlayer is derived from libavcodec, which in turn is GPL, by the very license of libavcodec. Hence, DVPlayer should be GPL too.

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The "derivative work" clause is something that I don't really get when reading the license text... honestly..

Your problem, honestly.

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MorphOS's ixemul.library wasn't available in source code for some time, and I know of people who asked to get the source code and didn't get it.

And I know some peoples that asked for Hyperion's Q2 source (matching current binary and in compileable form) and didn't get it.

S,CNR

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it's great to see how many people are readily saying that DvPlayer is in violation. FWIW, only a real lawyer can tell you that, not any armchar lawyer that has a copy of GPL.txt.

You're mistaken. Only a judge can tell you that, lawyers have no power to emit final judgements about the legality of anything.

Lawyers, like any other person with knowledge on the matter, can however say that, in their opinion, something breaks certain laws or rules. Eventually a judge will decide whether they were right or wrong.

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If people are concerned about potential GPL violations, they should report it to the FSF and be done with it.

So you think it's actually a bad thing to first inform the author of the sw which you think is in violation? I'd have thought that was actually a nice gesture... go figure!

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Then, a real lawyer can look at it and say yes or no.

And a real lawyer would be totally useless anyway, since lawyers don't make laws nor judge about them.

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Anything else ("DvPlayer is illegal") is just slandering.

I think you're the first one to say "DvPlayer is illegal"

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Who said so ?

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Good one.

Who's "good one"?

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I think this is a typical "do this or else" kind of statement. I'd call it a threat.

So, how should he have worded the sentence, in your opinion?

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