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hardware OS4   hardware OS4 : Troika Progress Report
   posted by Troika on 12-Sep-2005 21:57:07 (18724 reads)
Troika Progress Report

Please read on....



Before we start...
We would firstly like to thank all those who have written emails wishing us luck with our project. Its the enthusiasm of you, the users that drives us. Thank you!

Beta Testers
Many of you have expressed an interest in becoming a beta tester for the "Prometheus" motherboard. Rest assured, that we have been working this plan out. Please address all inquiries about beta testing to us, and not Hyperion, they have OS4 to finish, and we all need it done.

Sales/Dealers
Again, we are overwhelmed by the interest expressed by many dealers and individuals about selling our product, we apologize for not returning your emails, We haven't forgotten you, but our total focus currently is getting the new motherboard completed. Rest assured, we will be in touch.

About the "Prometheus" Board
The place to visit on September 24th, Big Bash 3 UK. and the launch of our web site.
We look forward to releasing more details to many of the questions that have been asked.. Provided all our electronic parts show on time, we will have one of our prototypes available at Big Bash 3.

Troika
    

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Re: Troika Progress Report
Posted on 15-Sep-2005 0:39:51
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AHT have a cool prototype with the chip that is supposedly supported, and I think I read
where they applied for a license a while back, its linux friendly, fills the gap between cellphone
and tablet PC...therefore OS4 would be a benefit, but not obligatory to developement...doesn't get
much better than that, scenario-wise. Someone please start a bounty to get Rogue and Enthilza
some whiskey and blondes, who could try to get the truth out, about the mystery device...


Old news- AInc and AHT couldn't or would come to licensing agreement. Hyperion is thus very unlikely to port to it IMO, although it would have been interesting/maybe a good move when it came up

PS - is there any way you can actually let your typing wrap? Now we've even gotta re-space your quotes!


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Talking about Troika, Mikey C wrote:
"edit: Remember, this is the hardware that Hyperion mentioned at AMIGBG back in July.

Sheesh, some people."


And then he later said:

"indeed, it isn't."


So unless I am missing something, Mikey C contradicted himself. I find it hard to believe that Mikey C could get something like this so wrong.


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Re: Troika Progress Report
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yep i've noticed it too.

Maybe (and i say "maybe") the "the hardware that Hyperion mentioned at AMIGBG back in July" and the "mistery device" are two different things (i repeat "maybe")


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Edit- sorry double post

Last edited by Framiga on 15-Sep-2005 at 10:32 AM.


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"Are the BoXer, ABOX literally a Hoax?"

Unlike iWin, I would say that the balance of evidence lies on them being honest (if tragically optimisitic) projects, where progress was made - but not enough for a commercially sellable product.

However, I think it remains debatable whether the Shark PPC was/is much more than a hoax. With my misgivings about Elbox, I never followed it closely, and so maybe I missed some evidence that they progressed further than wishful thinking. Probably best not to start debating that one here, or we'd risk derailing this thread.


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To Clarify...

The board mentioned at AMIGBG by Hyperion is the Troika board.

The mystery device is something else altogether.


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What I find most worrying is how quick everyone has been jumping on the Troika bandwagon, and how quick they have been to say "good riddance to Eyetech":

At the current moment in time, and probably for a good 6+ months yet, Eyetech is the only company with a PROVEN working OS4 mobo design. Eyetech may have had some serious problems, but we still have reason to hope for at least one new batch. So it seems to me that people are burning their bridges, before Troika have even proven themselves - not terribly wise IMHO.

Worse, they may cause other people to wait for a not-yet-finished (aka vaporware) product from Troika, thus killing the sales of Eyetech's next batch of Micro A1s. This would convincing Eyetech that it is not worth producing any more Micro A1s, leaving us entirely dependant on the unproven Troika. Again, this seems an extremely risk strategy to me - and at least as bad as relying soley on Eyetech.

The fact that Eyetech has taken many board revisions/redesigns to come-up with a (mostly?) working PPC mobo shows how hard it is to do. I see no reason that Troika should have much better luck, although I of course hope that they do.


For anyone who is unclear: I AM NOT BASHING TROIKA. I am simply suggesting caution, based upon the little that we know so far, and also upon the past experiences of the Amiga community.


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Indeed. No arguments from me.

The point I will make is that to many, there is a problem with Eyetech in that A) They cannot meet demand at the moment - Long list of people waiting for an A1 (ask US Amiga users) and B) many feel that the current offering by Eyetech (including many ANT members is too expensive. Out of what. 20 active Amiga North Thames Members only 3 of us have an AmigaOne.

So, clearly, there is something wrong with either Amiga users being tight, or they don't feel that the current offerings are what they want to spend their money on.

Which is it?

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@ChrisH

Quote:
What I find most worrying is how quick everyone has been jumping on the Troika bandwagon, and how quick they have been to say "good riddance to Eyetech":


There has been positive comments towards Troika (from me also) but it's nothing
I would take too seriously because we all know our history so we all know
it may not become true. Nobody has spoken badly about Eyetech because of
Troika so I think nobody said goodbye to them either.

Quote:
At the current moment in time, and probably for a good 6+ months yet, Eyetech is the only company with a PROVEN working OS4 mobo design. Eyetech may have had some serious problems, but we still have reason to hope for at least one new batch. So it seems to me that people are burning their bridges, before Troika have even proven themselves - not terribly wise IMHO


I think people are hopeful ábout Troika but Eyetech is not in anyway out
of the picture. It only depends on how badly you want OS4. Will you wait
another 6 months or not.

Quote:
Worse, they may cause other people to wait for a not-yet-finished (aka vaporware) product from Troika, thus killing the sales of Eyetech's next batch of Micro A1s. This would convincing Eyetech that it is not worth producing any more Micro A1s, leaving us entirely dependant on the unproven Troika. Again, this seems an extremely risk strategy to me - and at least as bad as relying soley on Eyetech.


Waiting is what we are good at. If the Troika board ends up being fairly expensive
then a uA1 would be a better bet, you just can't tell that yet.

Quote:
The fact that Eyetech has taken many board revisions/redesigns to come-up with a (mostly?) working PPC mobo shows how hard it is to do. I see no reason that Troika should have much better luck, although I of course hope that they do.


This discussion is to me happening too early, Troika has said BUHUU but
until BB3 things hasn't really changed a bit. Only a few positive comments to
Troika has been given away, and I can live with that.


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Posted on 15-Sep-2005 13:20:21
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chrisH:

i think most aint bashing eyetech , the thing is we need motherboards and we need a solution that will last more than a few weeks in terms of sales... every a1 out there has been sold and promised boards have been spoken about but not seen.

People need boards and we need them now.

besides the µa1c has clear benefits over the troika so no mater how u turn or twist on it..something better should be made later on (the troika board was built for an entry machine and is supposed to be sold as one too) ..

anyway i still say...we need boards and we need them now!.


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@Manu

People HAVE posted (in this thread, unless my memory is failing me badly) words to the effect that "wohoo, we're now independent of the evil Eyetech imperium". I have personally sat down and read postings like that. So people have most certainly jumped on the bandwagon without a backup.


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Yeah, but those people are the very same ones who haven't put their hands in their pockets and brough a new Amiga.

Armchair Jockey's?


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@wegster

I met up with Ron van Herk (username palpatine here at AW.net) on Monday. He showed me the Ariana (and a smaller board for IPTV, really impressive) and told me the story behind it. Unfortunately I was dragged away from the table by a colleague to do a demo on some software.

It's a really nice little machine, it would have been nice to see it sold as an Amiga. But for reasons we need not delve into here, this will not happen.


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How can you jump a bandwagon when there is none to jump to. Ii think you
are over exaggerating everything. Maybe someone wrote that, I don't care to check
but surely he does not speak for the majority here. I think the majority is quite calm about this. Sure Troika gets a pat on the back from a lot of people but whats wrong with that?


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@ wegster

first, I hope you, your family/friends, and all other in the Carolinas are safe and dry...this latest Ophelia just seems to sit there and sit there, deluging the same area relentlessly. Beware the arc-distance of powerlines!

As for Arianna, I guess a UAE will have to do, but if massive sales happen to occur, it would
be nice if the bent-nose boys could just get over it. This diversely divided community could
really do wonders if all the ancient and current bad vibes were just ignored, for the sake of
$$$, if nothing else. Not holding my breath, mind you...I read that Olegil actually got to fondle Arianna for a few moments...lucky guy! Are you a blonde genious, Olegil?

When Troika have a board for sale, it would be nice to make a suitcase up, with LCD screen
in the top half, Troika A1 cabled to dvd drive in the bottom half ready to go to the beach, or
wire up in the car, for the wifes epic shopping extravaganzas...

edit: the above bears little resemblance to the AWN 'preview', will upgrade to Opera 8.02, and latest firefox, tonight...

Last edited by glokraw on 15-Sep-2005 at 08:19 PM.

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When Troika have a board for sale, it would be nice to make a suitcase up, with LCD screen


why not just find a notebook case and build that. Saw a how to build it in CPU magazine. No time to read it however.


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Yeah, but those people are the very same ones who haven't put their hands in their pockets and brough a new Amiga.

Some of us did put our hands in our pockets, and got a turkey in return - that's why non-Eyetech hardware sounds so good.


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@Troika

Nice work, I am looking to support your product.

Rude!


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