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hardware OS4   hardware OS4 : Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
   posted by GuruMeditation on 24-Sep-2005 11:51:07 (27705 reads)

are proud to announce that they join forces in the effort to bring you a next generation AmigaOS 4.0 motherboard.

Read the press release here or on the newly released Troika website.


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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
Posted on 24-Sep-2005 17:09:14
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Really good news! This was needed after the sad news about Eyetech..

I have two complaints really.. As a desktop end user! But I understand
they don't target us for this board.
1. No G4 CPU! Multimedia sucks on G3..
2. Two PCI instead of PCI-E or one PCI with a onboard graphics like
Radeon 9200 mobile for example.

If these specs are fully kept I would suggest a 750GX CPU instead.
For cooler, faster and quieter (fan can be kept at really low rpms) running.

The graphics bandwidth of this system will be really bad though. Too bad!


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1. No G4 CPU! Multimedia sucks on G3..


Multimedia sucks on a G4 aswell, unless you have apps that utilizes Altivec

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2. Two PCI instead of PCI-E or one PCI with a onboard graphics like
Radeon 9200 mobile for example.


The northbridge doesn't offer native PCIe support, and onboard gfx would run at the same speed as PCI gfx cards.

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The graphics bandwidth of this system will be really bad though. Too bad!


The bandwidth shouldn't be slower then on the A1's, you have to keep in mind the limitations of the northbridge, this chip can't exceed PCI speeds, AGP wouldn't be faster, nor would a PCIe > PCI bridge chip. Also keep in mind that current gfx cards have large memory capacities, you wouldn't notice any difference in speed with this chip wether you used AGP, PCI or PCIe cards.


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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
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This was needed after the sad news about Eyetech.


What news?


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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
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That no more µA1's will come.. Out of Eyetechs control or whatever.


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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
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That no more µA1's will come.. Out of Eyetechs control or whatever.


Is that confirmed or a rumour?


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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
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Little bit of both..

Eyetech has emailed some dealers that they will not be delivering any µA1-C
boards anytime soon, if ever. And excused themselves that it was out of their
control.
I take this as the final nail to the AmigaOne coffin.


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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
Posted on 24-Sep-2005 18:32:59
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When was this?? I haven't heard anything from my dealer, considering I have prepaid more than NOK 10000 I would expect to hear something...

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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
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@Samface

Thank jesus you gave me this advice, otherwise I would not know about that. And thanks also to all the divinities in the world for make you sooo smart, and give you that super-fine "sacarsm" (although in fact it should be called IRONY, but it doesn´t matter too much you don´t realise, right? ;) )

Oh: and people (specially companies), don´t overprice the products "by accident", so you keep you smart and "sarcastic" point of view, that I will keep mine (and thank God (with capital, for respect), that I am not the only one that agrees it.

Cheers!

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But I guess if Eyetech is out of the question, it should be easier to cooperate with the Pegasos-ppl? No offence to the Troika ppl, but considering the time that has passed since the A1's first appeared, it's just not good enough to present such a slight improvement. If Pegasos still is a no-no, then I guess I'll be waiting for another hobby project to surface :/

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Posted on 24-Sep-2005 18:46:31
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I find it not so bad this board, if there are drivers
for anything on it. If i look at my SE now i would
gladly buy one to replace it.

I see here the same thing all over again as when
the SE came out, many of you where complaining
but verry little where buying. Do this not again
please, lets help these guys, they are helping us.


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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
Posted on 24-Sep-2005 18:48:40
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@Androxyn

Pegasos-ppl? are not going to pay for any license, nor are AmigaInc going to allow it, damage is done.

We just going to have to wait for the next model, this model is going to be the entry model.


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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
Posted on 24-Sep-2005 19:09:37
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If the price is right, I guess it will do. I hate that it is so little future-proof though. No DDR, no AGP, soldered CPU. Sure, it will do for running OS4 and all current software, but considering we will be relying on ports of software (atleast in the short term) we should have computers who can handle (or be upgraded to handle) and do justice to the stuff that one can expect to be ported in the near future.

If the price is in the same range as the M-A1, then it's (to me) not good enough. On their page it says suggested price (without memory and gfx unit) is "less than £400", M-A1 (with memory and gfx unit) is listed on their Comparison Table as £349. But I guess "less than £400" could also mean something close to £250, which would be nice.

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Gosh, I'm starting to repeat myselft, but whatever. Do Amiga Inc give Troika licence to port Hyperion's OS4 for the Amy board?


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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
Posted on 24-Sep-2005 19:18:15
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Hi Samwel, All,


1) Why bother designing a new motherboard if Eyetech is walking away from Amiga production???? They should just let GuruMeditation use the microAmigaOne design, and anything that exists of microAmigaOne-I and the A1-XC blueprints/schematics that have been rendered.

2) If they're walking, rather bloody rude of them not to tell us!!!! (Or especially me, as I'm loyal to even after the last one of them pack up and go bankrupt, after all, I can't wave a white flag, I never ever got my stinking "Club Amiga" T-Shirt to use!! )

3) Where's Garry Hare in all this????

4) Anyone see what's his name?

 
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NutsAboutAmiga:

People are spending money on developing new boards that are equal to, or just slightly better than, the old A1. Is it not possible that one of these enterprising companies instead could just get that lisence for Pegasos? They'll just have to add the dongle and they can start selling "Os4-enabled" Pegasoses, right? Well, now it sounds like Pegasos is perfect, which it isn't, but it still the best PPC board in Amiga(clone)land, as far as I can tell.

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@Samwel

Quote:
Eyetech has emailed some dealers that they will not be delivering any µA1-C boards anytime soon, if ever. And excused themselves that it was out of their control.


This is not completly true. I cannot disclose the content of the latest "Dealer update 5 - stock availability" from Eyetech, but I can say that what you reported isn't correct.

Ciao

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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
Posted on 24-Sep-2005 20:00:53
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Well thank god for that. No hardware available when OS 4 is released would be a disaster.


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Quote:
1) Why bother designing a new motherboard if Eyetech is walking away from Amiga production???? They should just let GuruMeditation use the microAmigaOne design, and anything that exists of microAmigaOne-I and the A1-XC blueprints/schematics that have been rendered.

It's MAI designs and MAI don't do that, they have some other markets to take care of like the server market, AmigaOne are not where tuned as Amiga computers in my option, some thing designed for AmigaOS is better.

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2) If they're walking, rather bloody rude of them not to tell us!!!! (Or especially me, as I'm loyal to even after the last one of them pack up and go bankrupt, after all, I can't wave a white flag, I never ever got my stinking "Club Amiga" T-Shirt to use!!)

Well they (AmigaInc) are doing PDA stuff, they don't care about AmigaOS4 or the Computer, there are no money to be made for them as they are out of the loop, as one says, maybe some time in the future they have more use for AmigaOS in the markets they target.

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3) Where's Garry Hare in all this????

Some where in mobile land I think, dreaming about new ideas


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Re: Guru Meditation and Troika join forces
Posted on 24-Sep-2005 20:44:35
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one of these enterprising companies instead could just get that license for Pegasus?

Some one did try that and AmigaInc refused. we how have One and like to get two are waiting, for some thing to replace One

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@opi

Think so, yes!!

http://www.troikang.com/contact.html


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