This package sure looks good. Can't wait for the OS4 version.
I hope it comes out soon.

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Ok, I was ready to upgrade until I read this:

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PayPal payments are accepted only from non-EU customers.

Why?

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This package sure looks good. Can't wait for the OS4 version. I hope it comes out soon.

Oh, herewegoagain ;) This software is for OS4. The basics, ie. the editor and the IDE framework, will always and intentionally remain cross-platform code, ie. 68k. The time-critical parts - compiler tool chains - are native (because their nice authors made native versions, not my efforts). In case of OS4, that would the installed OS4 SDK which is used by the IDE. To clarify the point about "OS4 not officially supported": that means I make software I want used on OS4 but can't guarantee with my life that it runs perfectly, every time, due to lack of an OS4 development system. All OS4 testing is done by GoldED beta testers (they think they are customers).

@Severin:
Because the EU forces banks to execute payments speedily at little or no costs to the sender and to the receiver (europe.eu.international). PayPal, however, is not bound by these regulations and levies high fees on the beneficiary and executes orders slowly. Conversion from their imaginary money to real world money can easily take ten days.

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Can not get to the upgrade page with my registration number.

Not implemented yet?

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"All OS4 testing is done by beta testers (they think they are customers)."

Care to clarify if you mean OS4 testers or GoldED testers?

On to another note: care to say when can we expect to get
support for antialiased fonts in the main text window?
Is this planned at all?

Thanks.

dietmar:



Nice logo and good to see more software and especially an IDE.

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Care to clarify if you mean OS4 testers or GoldED testers?

Both, in the sense you are asking. Several users of GoldED develop for OS4 and/or are OS4 beta testers. But of course I was referring to people who just use OS4 and have my software.

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care to say when can we expect to get support for antialiased fonts in the main text window?

I intentionally disable antialiaising in the text area (it would be on automatically) and that is done for several reasons. Very briefly: 1 - editor needs to extend fonts with custom glyphs (contol codes; removal of tabs), that's not possible with antialiased fonts because they are undocumented 2 - artifact issues: I've seen pixels outside a glyph's rendering box (under MorphOS) if antialiasing is on 3 - custom rendering code which is based on BltTemplate(). While I could work around these issues, I don't plan to and prefer to use antialiased fonts only in dialogs, menus and other user interface elements: antialiased fonts in the text arae of a developer's editor seem like a bad idea to me. It doesn't have to look cool, it has too look sharp, over a work day.

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@dietmar

Any chance to get gdb support into the editor ?

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Good work, Dietmar...using GoldED here for coding/text editing every day :) I think I have been using GoldED since '95...

"It doesn't have to look cool, it has too look sharp, over a work day."

I don't need it to look cool, I need it to be readable. Most
TrueType fonts look terrible on a sharp monitor with antialias
off, so much in fact that I have to resort to a bitmap font
instead, which is hardly "progress".

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Any chance to get gdb support into the editor?

You must mean beyond just starting it: Some debugger support is already in the editor (you can see it when you use it with with StormC3, breakpoints will pop up in the editor). Everything else has to happen on the gdb side. I'm not smart enough to mess with a PPC's debugger's source code which I can't even run, so this is a job for somebody else. What is needed in gdb is a method to attach a frontend. The StormC shell and related tools use message-based IPC (to get and set breakpoints, to issue step commands etc.). Somebody would have to add something like this to gdb and document it. It doesn't sound terribly complicated.

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I don't need it to look cool, I need it to be readable.

I don't want to start a discussion about the readabilty of True Type vector fonts in editors. If you think they are a must-have, then unfortunately my software will not satisfy you in that regard. It insists on bitmap fonts in the text area. The only planned improvment, font-wise, will be proportional fonts. Some day.

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Good work, Dietmar...using GoldED here for coding/text editing every day :) I think I have been using GoldED since '95...

Thanks! It's people like you that keep software author's motivation alive :)

Nah, sure. Keep gdb as the debugger. But normaly gdb has a remote interface (i mean not an kernel debug mode, just for apps). It should be possible to "connect" to that interface from within the editor (like the StormC debugger does ?). I have no idea, if this works with the current (OS4) gdb (is it available for other amiga like platforms ?), or the gdb needs some modifications. But support should be there inside gdb already (e.g. embedded remote debugging, or Eclipse integration, etc). Maybe they use just pipes.

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Maybe they use just pipes

There is a thread about using pipes to control gdb on utilitybase. From how it sounds, something is broken.

Well, let me add. Since I have the GoldED C++ ide for OS4, I completely dropped cross compilers. Makes much more fun on Amiga. Keep it up :)

(now, if I only would get distcc to work. I does not connect to my G3/SE...but maybe I have to wait for an OS update ? BTW: Should work fine out of GoldEd - if it would connect.)

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re: Oh, herewegoagain;)

Thanks for the clarification "dietmar"

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Quote: Quote: I don't need it to look cool, I need it to be readable. I don't want to start a discussion about the readabilty of True Type vector fonts in editors. If you think they are a must-have, then unfortunately my software will not satisfy you in that regard. It insists on bitmap fonts in the text area. The only planned improvment, font-wise, will be proportional fonts. Some day.

I think the point being made is that if you are used to heavily antialised fonts, plain fonts are almost unreadable. The converse is also true, if you are used to plain old fonts heavy antialised fonts can look blurred and difficult to read.

It all depends on what you are used to. Perhaps something worth considering.

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Update: distcc runs fine with GoldEd. Got it going! I couldn't the default make executing with -j, typing in that manually works however ('make ...').
Cool, I can use all of my 3 AmigaOnes now ;) - and they make less noise then my Athlon ;)

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If it comes with a configuration that imitates the SAS-C se Editor, I would
probably buy a copy. The last time I looked into doing this by myself, I
gave up in frustration since the instructions on how to configure GoldEd
were so confusing. I've been using se for over 15 years, so it's hard for
this old dog to learn new tricks (& keystrokes)!
;)
Jim Steichen

P.S.: proportional font support is NOT necessarily a good thing.

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Just ordered the upgrade

Thx Dietmar!

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