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Software News   Software News : Sputnik/KHTML port Update
   posted by jahc on 26-Jul-2006 1:01:42 (11661 reads)
Marcik is currently porting the modern KHTML browser engine to MorphOS. He has given a status update recently with pictures here. He has named his project Sputnik.

The source code is going to amigarized heavily, so an AmigaOS port will be easy afterwards. The AWeb team have already expressed interest in doing this port.



KHTML is used in a number of browers on other platforms already. Including Konquerer and Safari.

There is a bounty on MorphZone if you would like to contribute.
    

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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
Posted on 27-Jul-2006 15:48:44
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Marcik changed his mind and decided not to release the sources and Sputnik as a free software. He will make final decision when he finish the project but I and others consider this as a good way to ensure further Sputnik development.

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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
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Err...shouldn't we have to keep this info back till the REAL millennium?

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What a surprise ... still no links...

 
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
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There is no way to provide link to web page if information is obtained in live conversation Is it too hard to accept news if you don’t like them? Do you prefer not to know?

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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
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News, what news, i don't see no news...you just stating something, without providing
backup, that's nothing to do with news, btw IF this is live conversation why do you
post it here anyway?

Does @Marcic know? Are you his PR guy?

As long as i don't hear anything from the one actually coding this i won't bother with
it any longer

btw: One thing you DID with posting this here is, that many non-MOS users won't spare
a dime on the bounty anymore ... great work

 
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
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Marcik changed his mind and decided not to release the sources and Sputnik as a free software


As long as it's still KHTML based, I'm afraid he's not got much choice but to release it under the same license as KHTML, which is LGPL.

Also, accepting donations and not releasing it as free software would amount to thefth, in my book.


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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
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"live conversation" is not equal to "private live conversation". Marcik don't make secret of new way of providing Sputnik. Is it to difficult for you to pay for the software? Don't you want Sputnik to improve? You don't have to believe me. Maybe you believe when you spend your money on Marcik's software.

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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
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Marcik explains his thoughts about changing the licensing scheme for Sputnik here:
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4221&forum=32#44336

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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
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@falemagn ;
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As long as it's still KHTML based, I'm afraid he's not got much choice but to release it under the same license as KHTML, which is LGPL.

Also, accepting donations and not releasing it as free software would amount to thefth, in my book.



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License: BSD License, GNU Library or Lesser General Public License (LGPL)


Homework, please... do the f* homework before jumping on anyone elses guts...

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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
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Don't you want Sputnik to improve?

No ... well, tbh i don't really care...

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You don't have to believe me. Maybe you believe when you spend your money on Marcik's software.

That would imply that i'm a MOS user which i ain't.
As long as Marcik writes MOS-only soft i wouldn't pay a dime (btw it's still
freedom of choice in MY country, so i'd be open to use IBrowse for MOS, if i'd care)

I don't ever tried MOS and won't ever either...talking about taste again

edit: Of course, i donate to him, as soon as the KHTML source(port) is
accessable by the AWeb maintainers

 
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
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Homework, please... do the f* homework before jumping on anyone elses guts...


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Licenses

LGPL License (version 2) and LGPL License (version 2.1)
KJS and KHTML licenses.

Apple BSD-License
Apple license for Qt adaptation layer.

Nokia BSD-License
Nokia license for Qt adaptation layer C++ -port, webkit and reference browser.




Pixie, I know how to do my homework, unlike you it seems.

Oh, and I don't like guts, let alone jumping on them. Unlike you, perhaps.

Last edited by falemagn on 27-Jul-2006 at 10:30 PM.


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He might as well release the KHTML part, and charge for the the bsd one, which seems to be reasonable and logic... I for once don't see what is wrong with it.

BTW, your links doesn't work.


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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update
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He might as well release the KHTML part, and charge for the the bsd one, which seems to be reasonable and logic...


Don't know what "logic" has got to do with that, or even "reasonability", but, if you would pay attention to what you read, I've only talked about KTHML. He may do whatever he wishes with the rest of his code as long as the modifications to KTHML and KJS are released.

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I for once don't see what is wrong with it.


Let's see, what about people who donated money already? He's made a contract with them, people have contracted him to work on his browser under the condition that he'd release the sources once he's done. He can't unilaterally change the conditions of the contract. At the very least, he's got to refund everyone who's paid for the browser already and doesn't agree with the new conditions. Of course, since paypal will take some money for every transaction, he's also got to pay the difference by himself.

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BTW, your links doesn't work.


They work fine with Firefox.

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Don't know what "logic" has got to do with that, or even "reasonability", but, if you would pay attention to what you read, I've only talked about KTHML. He may do whatever he wishes with the rest of his code as long as the modifications to KTHML and KJS are released.

I was just infering from what was said he said, when crossing with actual facts, that's where logic and reasonability came to play...

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Also, accepting donations and not releasing it as free software would amount to thefth, in my book.


Well I found this quite a derrogatory sentence, namely when one doesn't know what's happening behind the scenes and taking as granted what someone had presented as truth...

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Let's see, what about people who donated money already? He's made a contract with them, people have contracted him to work on his browser under the condition that he'd release the sources once he's done. He can't unilaterally change the conditions of the contract. At the very least, he's got to refund everyone who's paid for the browser already and doesn't agree with the new conditions. Of course, since paypal will take some money for every transaction, he's also got to pay the difference by himself.

For what he had said, he also had invisioned that... as for the contract.

1) which contract
2) how many legal actions did you took against those who hadn't be able to finished AROS bounties...
3) he might as well get an agreement to give away the browser to those who had contributed
4) refunding is a non issue, since he would probably get more money directly selling it then he could through bounties, and if it doesn't cover the paypal, I wonder why would he even consider it

Still for your links, I run firefox, and one of them for example links to: http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/LICENSE-APPLE, which doesn't quite seem the place for them to be, and AW server quite agree with me on this


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That would imply that i'm a MOS user which i ain't.


No, that would imply that finally some hardware for AOS4 would be available so Marcik can buy it and use it to make Sputnik for AOS4.

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Well I found this quite a derrogatory sentence, namely when one doesn't know what's happening behind the scenes and taking as granted what someone had presented as truth...


English isn't your main language, so I excuse you for not understanding what I wrote. And, although I'm quite certain that my sentence was semantically correct, it may very well be that, since English isn't my 1st language either, I've not been able to express myself correctly.

In any event, there's been a misunderstanding on your part: I haven't claimed he's a thief, I've just claimed that anyone accepting donation for an originally thought-to-be open source project and then releasing it as a closed source one, would commit something that, in my opinion, would be equivalent to theft.

Perhaps by making the sentence 4 times longer I've managed to make the concept pass through, this time?

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1) which contract


The one he has made with his contractors, of course. In every EU country I know of, you don't need to sign a contract, in order for it to be valid: it's enough that two parties agree about it.

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2) how many legal actions did you took against those who hadn't be able to finished AROS bounties...


None, since the money has not been stolen.

I'm beginning to wonder whether you're doing it on purpose... Putting words into my mouth, I mean.

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3) he might as well get an agreement to give away the browser to those who had contributed


Should I really, really send you back to my previous comment, where I explicitely stated "and doesn't agree with the new conditions"?

Oh, wait, I just did.

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4) refunding is a non issue, since he would probably get more money directly selling it


That's irrelevant, I was just talking about the legally (and morally) binding aspects of the situation, nothing else.

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Still for your links, I run firefox, and one of them for example links to: http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/LICENSE-APPLE, which doesn't quite seem the place for them to be, and AW server quite agree with me on this


Ok, I see, they are relative, that's why. I will fix that, thanks.

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No, that would imply that finally some hardware for AOS4 would be available so Marcik can buy it and use it to make Sputnik for AOS4.

Again, i don't care about "sputnik", i HAVE a working, reliable and good browser,
the only thing i need, would be a new engine for that browser and that will be KHTML

 
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English isn't your main language, so I excuse you for not understanding what I wrote. And, although I'm quite certain that my sentence was semantically correct, it may very well be that, since English isn't my 1st language either, I've not been able to express myself correctly.

You're excused...
I just though you assumed too much without getting the facts straigh before... but I'll avoid being so impetuous in the future...

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@Raziel :
It might be a shock to you then that KHTML part is almost untouched, probably meaning that the Marcik KHTML port won't be of much help to AWEB, or at least much more then it is in its present form.


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I've just claimed that anyone accepting donation for an originally thought-to-be open source project and then releasing it as a closed source one, would commit something that, in my opinion, would be equivalent to theft

Then you would agree that bounties are a good way of thieving were both parts agree, a bit of thievery corporation...

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None, since the money has not been stolen.

neither in this case, at least until now


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You're excused...


I am? It was me who excused you.

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I just though you assumed too much without getting the facts straigh before... but I'll avoid being so impetuous in the future...


That is, you assumed I had assumed. How ironic is that?


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