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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : KHTML for MorphOS - update
   posted by mailman on 15-Aug-2006 10:15:06 (11317 reads)
Marcik announced a brief update concerning development of KHTML for MorphOS. It is said that the first public beta version is scheduled on the beginning of September but you need to be aware that the date could be as well postponed a bit until October. Marcik confirmed that parts of the code which are not covered by LGPL licence are not going to be published. MorphOS version of Sputnik will be available for free. Marcik also claims that the last version is the most stable browser he had ever used on MorphOS.
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 15-Aug-2006 23:05:30
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 0:15:59
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As I said the last time. If any code of Marcik reaches OS4 in form of a browser
or a MUI class I will make a donation to both Marcik and the author of the work.

This seems to go as I expected. No OS4 port. AWeb team should have started
on their own wrapper IMO.
Better to have full control over it for future enhancements to AWeb anyway.


@realize

Read what you wrote again.. If you are over 15 years of age that was REALLY silly!

Last edited by Samwel on 16-Aug-2006 at 12:16 AM.


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 0:21:53
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Btw I don't know why there's a argument though.

Marcik is well in his right to do a closed source browser and wrapper that
is dynamically linked to the KHTML part. Only thing he is forced to do (and
has or will) is to publish the changes he's made to the KHTML code.

EDIT: If Marcik would statically link the wrapper to the KHTML it would of
course be another matter. But the browser part could still be closed. As it's
dynamically linked (the wrapper being a MUI class) to the wrapper.

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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
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Sad story ...


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 1:28:35
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Quote:
If a company would link the library staticly to their commercial product, would they need to release all of the product.


but then asks pixie:

Quote:
Have you still not read a word of the license?



Have you still not read section 6 of the LGPL?

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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 4:23:43
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> all the code of the library has to be released (if anyone askes for it)... I guess you need to
> read the LGPL license...

> example 2c of the LGPL license
> Quote:
> c) You must cause the whole of the work to be licensed at no charge to all third parties
> under the terms of this License.

> ("the whole of the work" is the library)

You may be right, but the part you quoted doesn't mention releasing source, wouldn't releasing a binary for free qualify the way this is worded?


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 6:58:33
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@realize
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Hmm.. you are so blameless and innocent is that it? Then why is it that you put code in Ibrowse to report MOS as OS4?? Please explain that.

What really makes me laugh is all you guys who said PEgasos and Morphos was the devil and now you are sweating MOS devs and the Peg hardware when you realize where Ainc and A1 got you...

realize



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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 7:00:22
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@xeron
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never said Pegasos and MorphOS were the devil, but I have to say I never liked the attitude, or at least the "online persona" of Bill Buck and a few of Genesi's employees, and at least 2 of the MOS developers (No, I won't expand on that further, since I don't want to say negative things about specific people, especially as this is all pretty much in the past now). I admit, I did let that influence my decision to go with OS4, but really I don't regret it one bit, even if MOS gets a CSS capable browser first.


And you don't troll either.


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
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Hey, I wasn't trolling. I was being honest. But it is off topic, so I won't post any further on the subject.


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 9:40:21
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Thank you Darthy

As for everyone, as indicated by Xeron this is all highly off-topic. Please let's all get back on-topic and no finger pointing.


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 11:06:24
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@Samwel

bla bla bla bla. split this, split that, evil this, evil that. Enough crying already. Let marcik finish his work, later we'll see a result and then speak about ports to other AmigaOS-like systems.

Quote:
This seems to go as I expected. No OS4 port. AWeb team should have started
on their own wrapper IMO.


They had plenty of years to start their work. Do you need more sketches of their plans ?
You fail to grasp, that KHTML port is using MUI and AWeb is using Reaction/Classact (hello hello input.device context ;)). To make KHTML use Reaction, you'll need to port it the same way as marcik is porting it to MUI.

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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 11:11:42
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fantastic answer...

why marcik has used a library (khtml) made by other users and don't have used an his hand made library?
Is fantastic to see how many cooperation exists between users..
and it is so that other platforms and programs (linux - mplayer) don't want apply our patches. just because our platforms are not considered alive anymore.
and, sorry but nott my fault.


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 11:23:47
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Let marcik finish his work, later we'll see a result and then speak about ports to other AmigaOS-like systems.

Hmmm... What happenned? A sane opinion from someone ? OMFG.


Mod's Note: Deleted unnecessary comment.

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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
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@afxgroup:
Because he can... not that it will stop you for doing your own browser from the ground up, even if for doing that you do not eat...


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 14:38:16
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What's the problem with certain users? Have to proof yourselfs in some way? This
is about a program for a platform, not a discussion of life and death.

The amiga world sure is a sad place these days...

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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 18:59:03
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Some people added money because of what Marcik said he would do: That is hand over the code to the AWeb people and let them do the OS3/4 port.


Where did I exactly said that? I've only exchanged one private email with some guy from aweb team, saying that when beta is released, then sure, why not - they could port it (because sources will be avaiable then anyway, so I couldn't wrote anything else, did I?). I never promised any 'special' source exchange with them nor i can't remember any public statement from me about aweb.

BTW. Where did I said that there will be NO os4 version? I only said that i'm into MOS version now (well, i've always been), and that sources written by me won't be released. That's all.

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Posted on 16-Aug-2006 19:08:15
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Heh. "Amiga lovers" - generators of science fiction, legends, and myths?. ;)

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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 19:43:38
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@marcik

yes. i know u are free to do all u want because the time (and the code is yours) and fortunately we are free for now. But i have only 2 considerations

in 2006 is an absurdity make money with a browser when all other platforms (also pda and cell) has it for free. and however 2000$ are not coins..
second. if u have used a GPL code made by a group of guys that want to help other people to do thinks more simply you should use same philosophy.
i don't want my stupid 5 euros back. i only was thinking in the past that your work could be a step to take back many other users to our platforms.

nothing else


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
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@marcik

Pardon me from reading too much into things.

I still stand by what I said, though. Donations will be heading your way if/when work on an OS4 version begins. :)

 
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 20:22:24
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in 2006 is an absurdity make money with a browser when all other platforms (also pda and cell) has it for free


Today something must GPL to be free? Geez, i'm too old

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if u have used a GPL code made by a group of guys that want to help other people to do thinks more simply you should use same philosophy.


It's LGPL. And i think that original authors actualy read license and knew what does it says. And btw - since a few years it's developed by a 2 bigs corporations, not a group of guys that wants to make world a better place.

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i don't want my stupid 5 euros back.


You're free to ask for a bounty refund, like anyone who donated and feels that he's not comfortable with curent rules.

Quote:
i only was thinking in the past that your work could be a step to take back many other users to our platforms.


(Just an offtopic though, that not necessarily present my opinion) Well, i've read for many years that mos has nothing to do with amiga (statements mostly by polish os4-fans as i don't read much english os4 forums). Maybe some of us actualy understood that and decided to go into their own direction?

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