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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : KHTML for MorphOS - update
   posted by mailman on 15-Aug-2006 9:15:06 (11279 reads)
Marcik announced a brief update concerning development of KHTML for MorphOS. It is said that the first public beta version is scheduled on the beginning of September but you need to be aware that the date could be as well postponed a bit until October. Marcik confirmed that parts of the code which are not covered by LGPL licence are not going to be published. MorphOS version of Sputnik will be available for free. Marcik also claims that the last version is the most stable browser he had ever used on MorphOS.
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Samwel 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 16-Aug-2006 22:36:44
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@Brotheris

What are you smoking? What are these spliting & evil things you're talking about?

Even if Marcik do share his sources it's my opinion that the AWeb team
should have made their own wrapper from the beginning instead of waiting
for Marciks code. This to have complete control of where it's heading in
the future. Also it would be easier for them regarding integration into AWeb.

Quote:

They had plenty of years to start their work. Do you need more sketches of their plans ?
You fail to grasp, that KHTML port is using MUI and AWeb is using Reaction/Classact (hello hello input.device context ;)). To make KHTML use Reaction, you'll need to port it the same way as marcik is porting it to MUI.


Of course they had. That's just my point, they should have.

I'm not failing to grasp anything.. That's another point why they should have started
the wrapper themselves.. Then all AmigaOS API platforms could have a KHMTL
browser at the same time.

Marcik is not really porting it. Statements from himself says that he's made only
small changes to the actual KHTML source. He makes a interface for KHTMLtoMUI
which then can be used by other MUI applications, his own browser for example.

Last edited by Samwel on 16-Aug-2006 at 10:39 PM.
Last edited by Samwel on 16-Aug-2006 at 10:37 PM.


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 17-Aug-2006 1:55:57
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Who cares about KHTML anyway? You all know Opera beats the crap out of it anyway


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marcik 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
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You all know Opera beats the crap out of it anyway


Agree

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brotheris 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 17-Aug-2006 11:04:53
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@Samwel

Quote:
What are you smoking?


I don't do drugs, thankyouverymuch

Quote:
Even if Marcik do share his sources it's my opinion that the AWeb team
should have made their own wrapper from the beginning instead of waiting
for Marciks code.


Sure, the world would've been a better place today. There were plans and plans and plans (read: talk, talk and talk) since the release of AWeb source code. Conversion to GCC took years to complete (when one developer has done this in a week and put sources online, remember first AWeb MorphOS version). The plans to have some other engine were talked about again and again (remember a guy oUNIVERSEo? These plans were old, when this guy babbled about it). Even original AWeb author was dissapointed, because he atleast wanted to see smal improvements to the original AWeb rendering engine. It all was talk only (until recently, when small improvements were made). There is nobody competent and/or willing to do some big work, that is why AWeb is going to stay as it is today. AWeb is irrelevant, it is easier and more clean to build a gui around good engine, than it is to bolt new engine to old gui.

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I'm not failing to grasp anything.. That's another point why they should have started
the wrapper themselves..


But they haven't and won't. Period.

Quote:
Marcik is not really porting it. Statements from himself says that he's made only
small changes to the actual KHTML source. He makes a interface for KHTMLtoMUI
which then can be used by other MUI applications, his own browser for example.


LOL :))) That IS a hard part. KHTML engine talks to wrappers and you bolt wrappers with GUI code. You don't have to rewrite rendering engine for it to use MUI.

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tomazkid 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 17-Aug-2006 12:17:37
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You all know Opera beats the crap out of it anyway


Not on Amiga OS...


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Samwel 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 18-Aug-2006 8:13:35
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@Brotheris

No matter.. I don't use AWeb anyway..
Probably won't even if they would get KHTML.. But that's another topic.

You don't have to explain how slow it goes.. I know. The point is still that
for their "own good" they should have made a wrapper for themselves.
This has really nothing to do with platforms.. Like you seem to argue.
I'm not defending OS4 with these opinions if you think so.

LOL on yourself. I have NEVER said that the interface part was easy..
It's rather a tidious time consuming job I would guess.

Why do you have this condesending attitude towards people with different
opinions most of the time?


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 18-Aug-2006 8:14:23
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@nicomen

So when do you have the OS4 version ready then?


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brotheris 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 18-Aug-2006 10:54:26
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Quote:
The point is still that
for their "own good" they should have made a wrapper for themselves


Yes, sure, I agree with you. But as I tried to say, that marciks work is irrelevant in AWeb topic. There was no real modernising job by them before and won't be after KHTML. That's my point. Many people jump to wrong conclusions when some PR guy said "we are considering using bla bla bla". After some time many people start to see it as "AWeb team is working closely to integrate bla bla bla", like actual coding is beeing done (no disrespect to those who do little bugfixing for AWeb).

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This has really nothing to do with platforms


Not platforms directly, but people mentality and unreal expectations out of their imagination :)

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Why do you have this condesending attitude towards people with different
opinions most of the time?


You are confused, I'm not a PR person

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realize 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 19-Aug-2006 0:10:32
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@yabba and vader

Ok.. top IB team. Sorry about that. Piru also corrected me on this point as did several mos devs who were embarassed by that comment.

@Obey

Obviously, you have no clue as "Bill Buck" and "GEnesi" have nothing to do with Morphos.

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Samwel 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 19-Aug-2006 0:13:13
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@Brotheris

Quote:

people mentality and unreal expectations out of their imagination


Really? So it's my unreal imagination that AWeb should (even if it would have taken them
about two years) have made their own wrapper.. It took Marcik about a year to do it.
So how long will it take after Marcik is done with his MOS browser until a OS4 port is
available? A year?

Yes I know the AWeb development is slow. The only real update I know of is the javascript
which has been quite extensively updated. The rest seems to have to have been bugfixes
and smaller additions.

I know you feel this for all who chose OS4 over MOS. You have shown this over the past
years on the net. Not everyone is Helgis you know!!! You must learn to be more humble
towards people with other opinions than yourself. This has nothing to do with PR.


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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 19-Aug-2006 0:13:39
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Trezzer

I highly doubt that "donations" would be needed for an OS4 port. I'm sure Marcik will want to have a commercial version for 68k and OS4. Relying on people to donate for months of hard work is not really viable in this case. But its a good thought :)

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deakmann 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 19-Aug-2006 12:18:56
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&Brotheris

"Sure, the world would've been a better place today. There were plans and plans
and plans (read: talk, talk and talk) since the release of AWeb source code.
Conversion to GCC took years to complete (when one developer has done this in
a week and put sources online, remember first AWeb MorphOS version). The plans
to have some other engine were talked about again and again (remember a guy
oUNIVERSEo? These plans were old, when this guy babbled about it).
Even original AWeb author was dissapointed, because he atleast wanted to see
smal improvements to the original AWeb rendering engine. It all was talk only
(until recently, when small improvements were made). There is nobody competent
and/or willing to do some big work, that is why AWeb is going to stay as it
is today. AWeb is irrelevant, it is easier and more clean to build a gui
around good engine, than it is to bolt new engine to old gui."

This seems highly disrepectful to the work the Aweb team has done, remember they
have done native ports for OS4 and MorphOS, improved many things, fixed many bugs
,implemeted AMISSL3 support and the next release will include massive Javascript
improvments. AT the moment Aweb is my browser of choice on OS4.
Of course once Marcik`s port is completed it will blow anything else out of the
water and I look forward to seeing it on OS4 no matter if Marcik charges for
it or does an OS4 bounty. It looks like Marcik`s making great progress with the
engine, but what about the GUI, prefs etc , there`s a hell of a lot of work
still to do on that side of things.

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deakmann 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 19-Aug-2006 12:25:22
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&SamWel,

So the Aweb team should have started work on KHTML 2 years ago, given that the
new code Marcik is working on was only released in what April/May
(at least this is when it seems Marcik switched to this code)this would have
been a bit difficult.
You might as well argue that Marcik or anyone else for that matter should have
started porting KHTML 2 years ago. Perhaps the reason they didn`t is that the
right code (in terms of ease of porting) just didn`t exist.

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ironfist 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 19-Aug-2006 21:53:02
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From: Pegasos.org

Yabba
OS4 is detected by checking ExecBase version >= 50. I never ever even tried to detect that IBrowse
was running under MOS.


This is easily fixed by opening up the executable in CED and change one line from AmigaOS to MorphOS.
That's how we did it over at Pegasos.org

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ironfist 
Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update
Posted on 19-Aug-2006 22:08:55
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From: Pegasos.org

afxgroup:
"in 2006 is an absurdity make money with a browser when all other platforms (also
pda and cell) has it for free. "


I really hope you include IBrowse in this since IBrowse has never ever been free. It was
included in AmigaOS 4.0. but definitely not for free. Just like Voyager in MorphOS.

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