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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 16-Aug-2006 22:36:44
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What are you smoking? What are these spliting & evil things you're talking about?
Even if Marcik do share his sources it's my opinion that the AWeb team should have made their own wrapper from the beginning instead of waiting for Marciks code. This to have complete control of where it's heading in the future. Also it would be easier for them regarding integration into AWeb.
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They had plenty of years to start their work. Do you need more sketches of their plans ? You fail to grasp, that KHTML port is using MUI and AWeb is using Reaction/Classact (hello hello input.device context ;)). To make KHTML use Reaction, you'll need to port it the same way as marcik is porting it to MUI.
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Of course they had. That's just my point, they should have.
I'm not failing to grasp anything.. That's another point why they should have started the wrapper themselves.. Then all AmigaOS API platforms could have a KHMTL browser at the same time.
Marcik is not really porting it. Statements from himself says that he's made only small changes to the actual KHTML source. He makes a interface for KHTMLtoMUI which then can be used by other MUI applications, his own browser for example.Last edited by Samwel on 16-Aug-2006 at 10:39 PM. Last edited by Samwel on 16-Aug-2006 at 10:37 PM.
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 17-Aug-2006 1:55:57
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| Who cares about KHTML anyway? You all know Opera beats the crap out of it anyway
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 17-Aug-2006 6:22:23
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You all know Opera beats the crap out of it anyway |
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 17-Aug-2006 11:04:53
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I don't do drugs, thankyouverymuch
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Even if Marcik do share his sources it's my opinion that the AWeb team should have made their own wrapper from the beginning instead of waiting for Marciks code. |
Sure, the world would've been a better place today. There were plans and plans and plans (read: talk, talk and talk) since the release of AWeb source code. Conversion to GCC took years to complete (when one developer has done this in a week and put sources online, remember first AWeb MorphOS version). The plans to have some other engine were talked about again and again (remember a guy oUNIVERSEo? These plans were old, when this guy babbled about it). Even original AWeb author was dissapointed, because he atleast wanted to see smal improvements to the original AWeb rendering engine. It all was talk only (until recently, when small improvements were made). There is nobody competent and/or willing to do some big work, that is why AWeb is going to stay as it is today. AWeb is irrelevant, it is easier and more clean to build a gui around good engine, than it is to bolt new engine to old gui.
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I'm not failing to grasp anything.. That's another point why they should have started the wrapper themselves.. |
But they haven't and won't. Period.
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Marcik is not really porting it. Statements from himself says that he's made only small changes to the actual KHTML source. He makes a interface for KHTMLtoMUI which then can be used by other MUI applications, his own browser for example. |
LOL :))) That IS a hard part. KHTML engine talks to wrappers and you bolt wrappers with GUI code. You don't have to rewrite rendering engine for it to use MUI. |
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 17-Aug-2006 12:17:37
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 18-Aug-2006 8:13:35
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No matter.. I don't use AWeb anyway.. Probably won't even if they would get KHTML.. But that's another topic.
You don't have to explain how slow it goes.. I know. The point is still that for their "own good" they should have made a wrapper for themselves. This has really nothing to do with platforms.. Like you seem to argue. I'm not defending OS4 with these opinions if you think so.
LOL on yourself. I have NEVER said that the interface part was easy.. It's rather a tidious time consuming job I would guess.
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 18-Aug-2006 8:14:23
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So when do you have the OS4 version ready then? _________________ /Harry
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 18-Aug-2006 10:54:26
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The point is still that for their "own good" they should have made a wrapper for themselves |
Yes, sure, I agree with you. But as I tried to say, that marciks work is irrelevant in AWeb topic. There was no real modernising job by them before and won't be after KHTML. That's my point. Many people jump to wrong conclusions when some PR guy said "we are considering using bla bla bla". After some time many people start to see it as "AWeb team is working closely to integrate bla bla bla", like actual coding is beeing done (no disrespect to those who do little bugfixing for AWeb).
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This has really nothing to do with platforms |
Not platforms directly, but people mentality and unreal expectations out of their imagination :)
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You are confused, I'm not a PR person |
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 19-Aug-2006 0:10:32
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Ok.. top IB team. Sorry about that. Piru also corrected me on this point as did several mos devs who were embarassed by that comment.
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Obviously, you have no clue as "Bill Buck" and "GEnesi" have nothing to do with Morphos.
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 19-Aug-2006 0:13:13
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Really? So it's my unreal imagination that AWeb should (even if it would have taken them about two years) have made their own wrapper.. It took Marcik about a year to do it. So how long will it take after Marcik is done with his MOS browser until a OS4 port is available? A year?
Yes I know the AWeb development is slow. The only real update I know of is the javascript which has been quite extensively updated. The rest seems to have to have been bugfixes and smaller additions.
I know you feel this for all who chose OS4 over MOS. You have shown this over the past years on the net. Not everyone is Helgis you know!!! You must learn to be more humble towards people with other opinions than yourself. This has nothing to do with PR. _________________ /Harry
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 19-Aug-2006 0:13:39
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I highly doubt that "donations" would be needed for an OS4 port. I'm sure Marcik will want to have a commercial version for 68k and OS4. Relying on people to donate for months of hard work is not really viable in this case. But its a good thought :)
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 19-Aug-2006 12:18:56
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"Sure, the world would've been a better place today. There were plans and plans and plans (read: talk, talk and talk) since the release of AWeb source code. Conversion to GCC took years to complete (when one developer has done this in a week and put sources online, remember first AWeb MorphOS version). The plans to have some other engine were talked about again and again (remember a guy oUNIVERSEo? These plans were old, when this guy babbled about it). Even original AWeb author was dissapointed, because he atleast wanted to see smal improvements to the original AWeb rendering engine. It all was talk only (until recently, when small improvements were made). There is nobody competent and/or willing to do some big work, that is why AWeb is going to stay as it is today. AWeb is irrelevant, it is easier and more clean to build a gui around good engine, than it is to bolt new engine to old gui."
This seems highly disrepectful to the work the Aweb team has done, remember they have done native ports for OS4 and MorphOS, improved many things, fixed many bugs ,implemeted AMISSL3 support and the next release will include massive Javascript improvments. AT the moment Aweb is my browser of choice on OS4. Of course once Marcik`s port is completed it will blow anything else out of the water and I look forward to seeing it on OS4 no matter if Marcik charges for it or does an OS4 bounty. It looks like Marcik`s making great progress with the engine, but what about the GUI, prefs etc , there`s a hell of a lot of work still to do on that side of things. |
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 19-Aug-2006 12:25:22
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So the Aweb team should have started work on KHTML 2 years ago, given that the new code Marcik is working on was only released in what April/May (at least this is when it seems Marcik switched to this code)this would have been a bit difficult. You might as well argue that Marcik or anyone else for that matter should have started porting KHTML 2 years ago. Perhaps the reason they didn`t is that the right code (in terms of ease of porting) just didn`t exist. |
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 19-Aug-2006 21:53:02
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| Yabba OS4 is detected by checking ExecBase version >= 50. I never ever even tried to detect that IBrowse was running under MOS.
This is easily fixed by opening up the executable in CED and change one line from AmigaOS to MorphOS. That's how we did it over at Pegasos.org
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Re: KHTML for MorphOS - update Posted on 19-Aug-2006 22:08:55
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| afxgroup: "in 2006 is an absurdity make money with a browser when all other platforms (also pda and cell) has it for free. "
I really hope you include IBrowse in this since IBrowse has never ever been free. It was included in AmigaOS 4.0. but definitely not for free. Just like Voyager in MorphOS. |
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