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Bill doesnt mention which planet OS5 will be released on.

@ChrisH

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And now we are supposed to believe that 5 people in a garage (so to speak) are going to beat Apple?

I hate to break this to you, but Apple were 2 people in a garage when they kicked off!

DEC started in a garage and so did HP

Why else would we all still be here unless we knew that AmigaOS has something that none of the others have.

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"OS 4 is fake, there will never be........."

The Amiga Inc. OS 4 was fake and never would be real.

I'll tell you what they have in common: They are not about Amiga Inc.

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hate to break this to you, but Apple were 2 people in a garage when they kicked off! DEC started in a garage and so did HP

I hate to break this to you but that was the 70s and computers were thousands of orders of magnitude simpler and also weren't aimed at people who don't know what a CPU is.

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Why else would we all still be here unless we knew that AmigaOS has something that none of the others have.

Because we like the OS, it doesn't have to have stuff no other OSes have. Actually, it lacks many things most other OSes have.

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There never was an Amiga Inc OS 4. The plan for OS 4 was different (something
like what Amithlon is for x86 but for PPC instead). The plan didn't work out and
has been explained. OS 4.0 became something much better.

That they aren't about Amiga Inc got nothing to do with it since the same people
say the same things to anything related to Amiga Inc and AmigaOS. The comments
are the same.

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There never was an Amiga Inc OS 4. The plan for OS 4 was different (something like what Amithlon is for x86 but for PPC instead). The plan didn't work out and has been explained. OS 4.0 became something much better. That they aren't about Amiga Inc got nothing to do with it since the same people say the same things to anything related to Amiga Inc and AmigaOS. The comments are the same.

Sorry, read up some history. You are wrong. There WAS an in-house OS4, or at least the project management was in-house. It was managed by Fleecy Moss, go ask some developers that got contacted about that mess, including H&P, the P96 team and others. You know full well what happened next: "On Schedule and Rockin'" and Hyperion taking over the project to save the day, since (according, again, to developers) not a single line of code had been written while Fleecy and Bill were claiming that everything was on schedule.

Stop being like a goldfish, having memory that erases itself.

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I prefer to have a goldfish memory, if I didn't I would have to remember the cr*p
that some people put out.

Sadly enough I do remember reading your negative posts at aw.net and they aren't
worth anything.

Anyone can complain, it isn't hard, you don't need brains to do that. How about
saying something good for a change? It isn't hard really, even if it's harder
than complaining.

Whatever. I'm just sick and tired of getting lied at by every businessman trying to milk the cow that is the Amiga community. We've been without real leadership for way too long. McEwen failed and I can't see why he would succeed now. Am I negative? I sure as hell am, there are no GOOD news to talk about when it comes to Amiga Inc. If you believe that they are gonna have an OS better than OS X with Fleecy managing, so be it, but I plainly am not stupid enough to believe so.

I am positive when there is something positive to talk about : I am positive about OS4, I am positive about MorphOS releases (even if most people in here aren't), I am positive about software development and I am positive about hardware efforts that actually look real (see: the Italian people and their project).

Give me ONE reason to be positive about Amiga Inc. and it might work.

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I simply prefer to wait and see. It isn't worth complaining about anything at this
stage, what good does it bring? Does it make yourself or anyone else feeling better?

I prefer to believe that good things will come or else I wouldn't be here. If you really
think that amiga is dead allready (anything that's beeing said by Hyperion or Amiga Inc
gets critics right away). I can understand why people blame Amiga Inc but I have a
hard time understanding why they're blaming Hyperion.

Anyway that's OT. Point is, better believing or get out of here for a while. If you
have to think that only bad will come out of this there isn't much point in being
here. Just wait and see, there isn't much we can do about it anyway.

First step is new hardware (seems to be coming) and the final version of AmigaOS 4.0 wich
is more or less ready.

Noone's sure what will happen after that but work will continue, that's for sure.
Right now I'm pretty happy and people can buy an Amiga soon with AmigaOS 4.0 so it
is better than in a long time. Everything seems to be going well it only takes longer
than anyone wants it to take. That might change though.

Speaking of goldfish memory, a statement about OS 5 NOT being AmigaDE was recently
made. It was answered in september(!) at amiga.org. Now that is what I call
goldfish memory. Also it was talked about here at aw.net.

Since you got good memory you might remember the Frieden brother being so sick and tired
of the attacks on them that they stayed away from the public for a long time. Those attacs
could just as well've stoped the development of AOS 4.0. Would that have made you happy?

Amiga Inc might not be perfect but I will only judge them when their plans are being
turned into products. If they kill Amiga as I know it, then I *will* complain but not untill
then. It feels better to keep being positive. Also I don't have a bad feeling about
them wich might explain why I'm not as upset as others are. I am a bit sceptic though
but since complaining doesn't help in any way.......

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@MikeB
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The original Amiga team also took several years to complete its project

The original Amiga Team was formed by geniuses and OSes weren't as complex as they are now.

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The original plan to have the Tao Group as a foundation partner (or QNX before that under Gateway) was also due to being able to save some time.

TAO has improved their APIs and there's nothing Amiga Inc can offer over the current Elate/Intent.


The Bill McEwen/Fleecy Moss combo lied us years ago saying that OS4 was on shedule and rocking and that it was going to be released in "two weeks". Later Hyperion told us they haven't even started to code OS4. Now tell me why you think this time it will be different.

Saying that they have 5 coders and claiming that they're OS will be better than OS X just makes me laugh. But reading that some people believes him makes me feel humans don't learn even if they fall various times in the same rock

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Since you got good memory you might remember the Frieden brother being so sick and tired of the attacks on them that they stayed away from the public for a long time. Those attacs could just as well've stoped the development of AOS 4.0. Would that have made you happy?

No. I have never attacked the Friedens or Hyperion, even if I've had a few arguments with Mr Hermans. About Amiga Inc. I'm complaining because I'm afraid that they will damage what many other people have worked for and finally put the nail in the coffin...

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Bill McEwen and the Temple of Technology.

Sounds like we have an Indiana Jones impersonator here. Hope he realises that idol worshiping leads to the dar... err, nevermind.

Seriously, some people need to get a grip. 21 answers that amount to "wait and see", or "when it's ready". Let's see if this new website they're working on materialises sometime over the next month or two. Let's give them a chance to prove that they actually have something in development. No need to get all worked up.

In the meantime, we know OS4 is progressing and that OS4 hardware is coming.

Hans

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https://keasigmadelta.com/ - More of my work.

@ AMiGR

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The Amiga Inc. OS 4 was fake and never would be real.

The original AmigaOS4 development plan from 2001 was to be managed by Haage&Partner The complete OS4 development team consisted mainly of those people involved in developing AmigaOS 3.9 (released Dec 2000) .

So the involved parties:
1) Haage and Partner together with the OS4 (/OS 3.9) dev team.
2) Amiga Inc was to take care of branding, licenses, planning project goals, PR, etc.
3) Hyperion was to take care of 3D support.
4) Escena and Eyetech of the AmigaOne 1200 and 4000 hardware.

- Haage & Partner and Escena at some point ceased their involvement.
- Hyperion took over Haage& Partner's responsibilities.
- Eyetech partnered with Mai Logic.

AmigaOS4 as developed by the AmigaOS4 dev team is real and far beyond the original goals for OS4 in 2001 (or Hyperion's greatly revised design goals), which was planned to be more an incomplete port of OS3.9.x to PPC.

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So, do you call the P96 people liars for saying that Fleecy hadn't even told them what needs to be done while publicly announcing that they were working on something? Do you deny that Fleecy was to be the project manager of all this and that he WAS the one that was bringing all parties together? Do you deny that there was NO DEVELOPMENT going on at ANY point during that period, something backed by Haage&Partner (they were waiting for money from Amiga Inc.) and Hyperion?

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I gotta say I was thrilled, delighted and relieved to read Bill McEwen's answers to the 25 questions at Amiga.org.

I would also like to say I am a FAN of this Amiga effort and I am MALE as well. Given those two attributes I refuse to be intimidated by what seems to have become an inflamatory and derogatory title “fanboy”. I don't go to Amiga.org much anymore and haven't for a few years now because of that kind of thing ( I guess it's better there now) but this is a nice place ( AW.net) to exchange POV..let's keep it that way.

Having said all of the above, most of what is said in this latest interview at Temple of Technology by Bill McEwen has had a chilling effect on me and I do understand much of the doubt and cynicism expressed here.

The fact that Amiga Inc. (and Bill McEwen) have survived the dot com crash, financial calamities and personal tragedies speaks volumes to me. If this was an easy task everybody would be doing it. I'm hanging in to see what happens.

@ MikeB
Nice to see you post again, I was wondering where you were.

@Herewegoagain
Nicely said, reflects 90% of my thoughts on the topic.

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@ Crumb

Sure I believe the interview had some overly bold statements. But that doen't mean that anything Amiga Inc is working on may not be of good quality, anyway Bill McEwen isn't even a developer.

I don't want you to believe anything. One thing is clear though, the predictions of Amiga Inc's (employess and IP) inevitable immediate demise by some loudmouths in the past have been wrong. Amiga Inc plays and will continue to play an important role within the Amiga community, so hopefully they have got their acts together by now.

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@ AMiGR

Sure there may have been a short period of confusion when Haage&Partner pulled out of the agreement around July 2001 (at least one combined public presentation was held in this month), but Hyperion got more involved and took over just a month or 2 later in 2001.

It would be difficult for me to claim or confirm that not one line of OS4 code was written in this short period of time, as there were just too many different parties involved, for instance a few dozen more or less independently minded post-AmigaOS 3.9 developers. Even if there would have been no AmigaOS4 project I feel confident some of them would have continued to improve their OS3.9 components.

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You really have a talent with words, you should had been a politician.

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dan.hutch:
"One of Amiga Incs ambitions is to build an OS that runs on pretty much any processor."

Yes, but you were talking about AmigaOS 4.0 in the
sentence I referred to. AmigaOS 4.0 will never run
on anything besides PowerPC. I will eat my hat if
that ever changes.

@Colin_Camper

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Why else would we all still be here unless we knew that AmigaOS has something that none of the others have.

We're waiting for the players to give up their crusade of delivering overpriced sub par hardware like the AmigaOnes and "Samantha." And do what the market wants: AmigaOS on cheap and available x86 hardware.

Unless these new PowerPC products are priced very cheap at around < 100$, they're just not worth it. They'd just be a waste of time and money.

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All beer tastes bad.