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Poster: Tomas Date: 15-Apr-2007 14:38:29 Good to see some life sign, but why is there not a SINGLE question regarding OS4 on new hardware? I find it very hard to believe that this question was never asked.

Hmm... This looks like a question about OS4 on new hardware to me:


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Q: There are much talks about PS3 and OS4. Your thought on that issue? A: Would make a nice couple. I prefer Kosh type answer *coughs* Especially when I cannot really answer the question...

@mailman

You maybe score a point there.

I really dont have a clue about what is the situation with non-Earlybird guys out there. Using Linux only? Unlikely I think. I guess, there was an option to buy OS4 (a prerelease at that point) separately, wasnt there?

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I find this part of the first question asking about os4 for the classic interesting. [A: Classic version will be done as soon as we have the AmigaOne version out of the door, which should be "RSN"] Since os4 Final is already out, is that a reference to new h/w (SAM)? One can only hope.

I read it that the "OS4 final update" we have is the final OS4 pre-release update, not OS4final which is the one being prepared.

But I don't see why they would go to the effort of doing a full release in a box just for the AmigaOne owners who have a CD and downloadable updates already - so it is far more likely that the release will be for AmigaOne and some other new OS4 hardware.

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@kvinkunx

All AmigaOne owners paid for OS4 with their board, the difference was that Earlybirds got it at a significant discount (or free).

I think some of the early developer board purchasers did not pay for or get OS4, but the Earlybirds were the first batch (or so) of XEs (which you may have had to buy directly from Eyetech, not sure)

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There are 2nd hand owners that don't have the serial number that came with the A1 so they can't update. There's not many, so no money there.

There's probably not many classic owners with ppc boards, so very little money to be made there.

OS4 with SAM is the only thing that make sense to me. Acube either has a license, the license issue is a myth, or Hyperion has found a way around the issue.

Just my guess, but I suppose OS4 could be used on embedded systems as well.

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Earlybird described in Alan's words (for those who feel the need to debate this):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5075&forum=33

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I wonder who is going to buy a CD with AmigaOne version of AmigaOS 4.0 while every AmigaOne and MicroA1 owner already has the system? Paying 100 euro for contribution section or SDK or simply for the CD case does not make it worth, don't you think? Could anyone elaborate on this a bit? Maybe a product which is going to be sold will differ in some areas from what is available for download?

They won't HAVE to buy it. I suppose that every owner of OS4 can download a copy
of the ISO as they can now. The difference being that every non-earlybird buyer will
recieve a hardcopy of the OS4 box incl. manual. Earlybirds (All SE and most XE
owners I guess) will have to buy the box if they want it.

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"In return a free copy of OS4-OEM would be given to purchasers when it was ready. "
Eyetech's own words from Number 6's link regarding earlybird buyers (buyers of
A1's before OS4 was released june 2004).

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Regarding the interview.. Nothing new at all IMO.
No real questions/answers about hardware. No questions/answers about the legal
dealings with Amiga Inc. No real questions/answers about the current state of OS4.

We all knew they where working on the final CD, this much was said in December.
This was really just fluff and showing that they're alive.

My hope is that we'll get a real public development plan for OS4.1 on the OS4 site.

But I guess Rogue couldn't answer any of those interesting questions. Too bad.
We need an interview with Hyperion management or Amiga Inc.

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I feel the same as you Samwel. I feel let down. I would really like to see something come from Hyperion or AInc themselves as Rogue has stated several times he does not speak for Hyperion.

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I read it that the "OS4 final update" we have is the final OS4 pre-release update, not OS4final which is the one being prepared.

Sorry, but the term "final OS4 pre-release update" makes me go --->
Can it get any more confusing?

If this information is still valid, then there is no need for such confusion.

If a packaged version contains any updates or bug fixes, it would naturally be called "OS4.01", "OS4.1", or get a naming that indicates a version bump.

@Tomas

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At least that confirms one rumor,

It doesn't confirm anything. The interview makes no mention of any new hardware or AInc. Anything people make of that is just speculation and further rumour.

I must say it was nice to hear from Rogue again, it cleared up some things which were still in the rumor mill.

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A: No idea about the pricing, I guess it will be somewhat in the same range as the A1 version. Price range for the A1 version is ¤100 I think.

Good, at last we have an educated estimate on how much OS4 is likely to cost. If the Classic version is going for as much as the A1 version, I think it's safe to assume that all versions are going to have roughly the same price. And ¤100 (=$135) is one helluva reasonable price for an OS these days.

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Q: Rogue, so in a grand total, what's your view on the future? Will we pull through? IS there a future for AmigaOS or should we all go home ? A: It's difficult to say. It depends on a few factors that are out of our reach.

I agree with the pessimists here: this really does sound like Amiga Inc is keeping the door closed. However...

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Q: When do we get OS4 for classic Amigans? A: Classic version will be done as soon as we have the AmigaOne version out of the door, which should be "RSN" Right now, we're working on the final ISO, the one that is supposed to be packaged up in a nice big box (which, incidentially, is already designed ) in the form of a real, physical CD (with manual IIRC)

This does give me hope, because pressing CDs and putting them in "designed nice big boxes" (as opposed to paper sleeves) is a lot more expensive than hosting a few files on a web site. If Hyperion are doing this (considering that they can't exactly be rolling in money, judging from what we've been hearing), they must be pretty sure that they're going to sell those.

I must admit to being a bit confused about the "AmigaOne version" - wasn't that supposed to have been done already?. There are two possible interpretations here, the optimist one and the pessimist one.
The pessimist interpretation is that Hyperion are desperate to recover their costs from developing OS4, and they're hoping that by putting the exact same code plus some extra 3rd party goodies in a nice box, most of the existing ~1500 AmigaOne owners will buy it. If we don't bite, Hyperion's next product will be Homeless 1.0 How's that for gloomy?
The optimist view is that Hyperion and ACube have decided to keep using the AmigaOne brand and the Sam with OS4 going to be sold as the "AmigaOne 440" or something like that, so Rogue wasn't referring to the Articia-based boxes some of us have.
Problem is, it's currently impossible to know which of those is closer to the truth...

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@Samwel

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But I guess Rogue couldn't answer any of those interesting questions. Too bad. We need an interview with Hyperion management or Amiga Inc.

And what makes you think that Hyperion's management can answer such questions with the current state of affairs? *If* there is an ongoing legal debate, I am quite sure they have been instructed not to post anything. Much too risky.

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Well they can atleast say more than Rogue I would think.
For example, Rogue may not be able to tell anything but Hyperion could tell us if
the legal dealings with Amiga Inc is over or still ongoing. Not telling specifics
of course.

If the legal dealings are finished we could maybe be told if there are any licence
talks between ACube and Amiga Inc. Which I suppose Rogue can't tell, or even
know about?! This issue I'm sure Hyperion would know about as the licence is
regarding their product.

What about a question if Rogue and the OS4 team is currently working on a port?
Not stating to which hardware.. But these answers aren't telling us anything really.
Other than Hyperion being alive, for those that had disbelief.

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The optimist view is that Hyperion and ACube have decided to keep using the AmigaOne brand and the Sam with OS4 going to be sold as the "AmigaOne 440" or something like that, so Rogue wasn't referring to the Articia-based boxes some of us have.

If we need to resort to brand name trickery in order to move forward, I dont think we have much of a future if Amiga Inc are being THAT uncooperative.

But I dont believe AI want to restrict hardware. I think the stumbling block at the moment is the legal stuff. Thats just another guess from another "amiga fan on the forums" with no insider knowledge though.

Anyway, I would be quite willing to pay for a possible OS4.1 to help out Hyperion and upgrade my AmigaOne to another level of niceness. :)

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What about a question if Rogue and the OS4 team is currently working on a port? Not stating to which hardware..

It's quite possible that relations between Amiga Inc and Hyperion are at such a delicate state that Rogue, being just a contractor and only having some of the full picture, is simply playing it safe and keeping his mouth shut. It would be unfortunate if he said something incorrect, and that derailed negotiations. We've been waiting years, I for one welcome the progress report; it sounds like at the very least we'll be getting an updated SDK soon. The best news out of this is that now we know there's still someone minding the forge, the total silence was a bit disconcerting.

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Sorry, but the term "final OS4 pre-release update" makes me go ---> Can it get any more confusing? If this information is still valid, then there is no need for such confusion. If a packaged version contains any updates or bug fixes, it would naturally be called "OS4.01", "OS4.1", or get a naming that indicates a version bump.

Go crazy why???

It's really simple, to me anyway.. It's the final update, OS4 final. The difference
being that the current owners got a "preview" ISO of the final before they where
finished mastering the CD for release. Yes, missing some parts but still pretty
much a complete OS4.
But as this has still not been released in public on a pressed CD I can't see why
they would have to call it 4.01 or whatever even if some parts have been updated?

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But as this has still not been released in public on a pressed CD I can't see why they would have to call it 4.01 or whatever even if some parts have been updated?

No reasons other than Rogue exactly stating that (repeatedly even).

@CodeSmith

Yes that's true. As I said also it's some kind of life sign for those that doubted.
Every type of press release, interview or news on their sites is good for the
community really. Too bad they can't do it more often these days.

The new SDK is good news indeed.

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If we need to resort to brand name trickery in order to move forward, I dont think we have much of a future if Amiga Inc are being THAT uncooperative.

I don't see it as "brand name trickery", for the simple reason that it's just too transparent (mind you, the contract gaffes that Amiga Inc got into were pretty embarrassing...) I'm thinking more along the lines of simple marketing to consumers: "this is the next generation of the AmigaOne you know and love"

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But I dont believe AI want to restrict hardware. I think the stumbling block at the moment is the legal stuff

??? the "legal stuff" is AI restricting hardware until they get what they want.

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Anyway, I would be quite willing to pay for a possible OS4.1 to help out Hyperion and upgrade my AmigaOne to another level of niceness. :)

I'm ambivalent. I want to help Hyperion, but I'm not sure I want to pay $135 for a nice box and the next build of KingCON. I already paid $50 for a t-shirt and early access to web articles, I don't want my amiga to become a gold digga On the other hand, I'll gladly fork over the cash if the actual OS4 code I get is newer, or if it comes in the box with a new computer.