@Glittering

> Everyone who wanted to run os4
> would be already doing so, if it was not for hyperions slimy,deceitful antics.

Right, because Amiga Inc already had OS4 almost completed in-house at that time "Only two weeks behind schedule" "on schedule and rockin"

You believe this?

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LOL! What suckers they are indeed. Way to go, keep it up and "only two more weeks"!

Thanks alot!

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@glittering

Fleecy, is that you?

Saluditos,

Ferrán.

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Quote: In closing, we would like to remind dealers and other third parties that distribution of Amiga OS 4.0 without the prior permission of Hyperion VOF and certain third party developers is illegal under EU, US and international copyright legislation and therefore entirely at their own risk. It may just be a case of this being written by someone who isn't a native English speaker, but the tone of this paragraph is very strange. If someone is proposing to widely distribute software that you own (or believe you own) you do not just say they do it 'at their own risk'. That's the kind of phrase that's used when you disapprove, but can't do anything to stop what's going to happen. It seems like an incredibly weak response to Amiga Inc's very bold and blatant (if you accept Hyperion's OS4 ownership) statements.

Well, it could be taken as a covered message to Ack: "Amiga Inc does not have the right to distribute OS4, so do not include it with your machines without asking us first, even if you have an agreement with them, or you'll face the consequences". Just a guess, though.

Saluditos,

Ferrán.

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'we would like to reassure our customers' - our customers ?

Hyperion has no customers Amiga Inc has, Hyperion is a subcontractor to port Amiga OS 3.x to PPC hardware called Amiga OS 4.0 and return code to Amiga Inc.

It is not rocket science.

Any licence issues in the development of Amiga OS 4.0 is Hyperions responsibility, sub contract or not - up to you. Just make sure all your developers / subcontractors know its NOT YOUR CODE nor Hyperions code before you start.

If I hired someone to repair my house, I go on holiday to come back that is not my own - how can this be ?

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...resolve the outstanding issues (including the “Party Pack” and “I am Amiga Club” voucher schemes...

Someone WANT to resolve the “Party Pack” and “I am Amiga Club” voucher issues... I can't believe it !!!

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Even if we do not know what was going on behind the scenes all this time (well I do not know),
I'm more inclinated to believe Hyperion.
They did OS4, they where there to listen to the community a way more than amigainc did.
AFAIR on the website which was online untill 4 week ago, amigainc let one understand that
they where focused on Amiga-Anywhere/-DE (at least this was what I read out of it not beeing a native
english speaker) and more I had the impression they even wanted to disassociate from the desktop OS AKA OS4.

Amiga Inc gave me the impression that they think they do not need the community anymore since it being to small
and not focused on AA/DE -let pass the supposed insults they let out of us beeing a "bunch of crackpots"-
And finally to think that fundamentally when they supposingly where going to deliver a new product, a new market and
community will arise. (which isn't that far from reality, isn't it?).

As for Hyperion (@glittering) trying to pilfer 20k$, it more looks to me (mmh, ok probably I didn't follow the intire
discussion that was going on then) they where pointing out that a porting for x86 or whethever device would cost money
and can't be done working with an empty stomach.

anyway:

@Hyperion

I'm with you!

Let's hope this nice piece of software is not going to be suppressed due to the
crazyness of this consumers-society of mankind

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Poster: T_Bone Date: 2-May-2007 20:24:57 @Glittering > Everyone who wanted to run os4 > would be already doing so, if it was not for hyperions slimy,deceitful antics. Right, because Amiga Inc already had OS4 almost completed in-house at that time "Only two weeks behind schedule" "on schedule and rockin" You believe this?

I for shure don't!!

@asymetrix

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Any licence issues in the development of Amiga OS 4.0 is Hyperions responsibility, sub contract or not - up to you. Just make sure all your developers / subcontractors know its NOT YOUR CODE nor Hyperions code before you start.

That doesn't make any sense what so ever.

It's common practice to license complete or parts of components from third party developers. Even Microsoft does it with Windows. It has been done in the past by Amiga too, take narrator.device as an example, nothing new here.

So, Hyperion probably have a binary and/or source license for everything non-OS3.1 based like the ExecNG, IDE drivers, Warp3D, USB drivers, P96, AHI, IB2.4 and whatever. Nothing strange about that, and obviously Amiga Inc doesn't have any rights to the sources for those components. Atleast in a sane world with a sane legal system they don't....

Amiga Inc could ofcourse license the components on their own, assuming the copyrightholders want to grant Amiga Inc a license.

However, I assume Amiga Inc could ask for the sources for any components which are based on OS3.1, like intuition for example.

@AmiDog

The question is wether "outsourcing" essential parts of the OS (like ExecSG) without a transferable source-licence isn't itself a breach of contract.

Sure AInc can't force the Frieden to handover sources, but they maybe able to sue Hyperion even further for not doing it (and it doesn't matter wether it's "don't want" or "can't").

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@glittering

Any assumtions Hyperion has been trying to make money on developing OS4 are based on a complete ignorance of the costs involved in software development. If you want to continue your accusations, you've better find a motive.

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I've felt that way for a while. Ever since the "Amiga Inc. ignores license inquirers" conspiracy became public. I was happy like crazy when KMOS bought AmigaOS. That went away when KMOS turned out to be identical in every way to who they bought AmigaOS from.

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In closing, we would like to remind dealers and other third parties that distribution of Amiga OS 4.0 without the prior permission of Hyperion VOF and certain third party developers is illegal under EU, US and international copyright legislation and therefore entirely at their own risk. It may just be a case of this being written by someone who isn't a native English speaker, but the tone of this paragraph is very strange. If someone is proposing to widely distribute software that you own (or believe you own) you do not just say they do it 'at their own risk'.

My take on it is a warning to not sell OS4 packaged with Amiga/ACK boards, or any other hardware or standalone versions if Amiga Inc. wins this. Anyone doing so risks being sued by Hyperion for copyright infringment. Even if Amiga Inc. wins this. But probably mostly a warning to minimize ACK sales that might potentially happen before the lawsuit ends.

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According to the contract, only the Escena boards were AmigaOnes. Because they never went on sale and the replacement did not have a A1200/A4000 connection for custom chips compatibility, Hyperion were required to do more work than envisaged when the contract was signed.

Might have been better for all of us if the failure of Escena's design lead to a closure of the OEM contract in dispute today, and a new contract was negotiated with the additional work taken into consideration that would have been more fair to all involved for what OS4 has actually become.

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whaaaaaa ? are you stupid or something ? Amiga inc are loaded with money
we didn't know that before they bought that indian company.. and some sport stadium in the US.. you know, most ppl did think that they had only like 50$ to delevop4 ..DiscreetFX on the otherhand .. beeeeeeeeeeeh.

amiga inc has payed hyperion hundreds of thousands of dollars ...

I THINK THAT, THAT SHOWS THAT THEY WANT'T TO KEEP THE OS ALIVE.. SO screw
hyperion, Ainc can get better coders for OS4 .. and i want out of this hyperion "JAIL House?"

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amiga inc has payed hyperion hundreds of thousands of dollars ...

Where do you think you found that info?

All that can be read in the "Agreement" is, that there was absolutly no payment for Hyperion developing AmigaOS 4.
And even when you would count the 22250 $ as general payment for the development, they state as payed for the regain of control over the intelctual property (what they are not, in fact), thats not even close to your claimed "hundreds of thousands".

So please: stick to the facts.

I suspect that was a sarcastic rant.

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amiga inc has payed hyperion hundreds of thousands of dollars ...

Huh? Not even Amiga Inc. makes that claim... If they had, surely the court filing would have said so.

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It's really a sad day for Amiga!

I don't know what to think of this whole nonsense!

As I stated in another thread already: I really hate this IP lawyers b u l l s h i t.
Today the whole world reacts like that! It's just crazy!

The only thing I know is that without Hyperion I wouldn't type this on my Amiga One G4XE under OS4 and without Eyetech I wouldn't even own an Aone.

I really don't see Amiga Inc in any relation to this.

And if AOS4 has features only available for 4.1 and up is even better I had to wait long enough!

Amiga Inc is only a name with a buch of dreamers who do sell applications for products that aren't related to Amiga.

The only reason I still have my AOne is because of PageStream!
I'm waiting for OS X (Mac) version after that I'm completely away from Amiga!

After 20 years of happy Amiga computing life must go on!

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