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Software News   Software News : OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
   posted by afxgroup on 24-Dec-2007 10:12:50 (16619 reads)
OWB - Origyn Web Browser for AmigaOS4
The first (in)complete Modern Web Browser for AmigaOS4

I'm happy to announce that today we have a web browser for AmigaOS4 that supports almost all modern web technologies.

Since it is a project in an early state I'll write first what doesn't work.. Don't expect at moment Tool bars and all other things present in all browser. But i assure you that we are working on this. But i would release something for Christmas also to see your feedback about this browser.

OK. Let's go...



WHAT DOESN'T WORK:
# FILE TRANSFER
# Cookies: sometimes and on some sites login is impossible.
# Crashes: There are some sites that crashes and you could have some crashes on
exit. Don't send me crash logs.. the functions that crashes are known..
# Chars: Some chars like () in the Italian char actually are not printable.. :(
I can write to you a special version but is better to wait new releases
# Sites Display: 99% of sites works correctly.. but you could find some sites
that doesn't render well. On some sites you could have problem on window's
redraw
# Chinese fonts are not rendered (i think.. or i haven't found a right ttf
font..)
# Don't expect Flash/Movie plugins (at moment..)
# Sometimes the browser could send a bad request to the web server. Go back and
re click on the link
# Copy/Paste of text doesn't work at moment
#There isn't a scroll bar at momen
# maybe other

WHAT WORKS:
# IT IS FREE.. ;)
# NO BOUNTY OR OTHER.. ;)
# Javascript should work on 99% of the web sites
# CSS and all web technologies work perfectly
# True Type fonts are used to display fonts (see notes on how it works)
# SSL works (see notes)
# It is quite fast also on A1200 (well.. doesn't expect the same speed as on an A1..)
# Is updated daily by the OWB developers (and me..)

INSTALLATION AND USAGE:
Copy the fc-cache file included in C/ dir into your C: directory (even if is not is needed) and run it.
Copy the files included in the FONTS/ directory into your FONTS: directory
Copy the files included in the S/ directory into your S: directory
Mount the RANDOM: device from SYS:Storage/DosDrivers/ (or copy it into DEVS:DosDrivers/)

To launch OWB just click on its icon or run from the shell with this syntax:

owb URL

The first time you run it, it will search the FONTS:_TrueType/ directory to see what ttf fonts are available and create some cache files, so you may have to wait for some seconds, depending on how many files you have there. If you run fc-cache first, the owb launch will be fast

To navigate back and forth, use:
ALT -> to go forward
ALT <- to go back

Thanks to everyone working on or testing it!
Thanks to Mason and Kens for their icons!
It's Christmas.. remember me! :)

Thank you and Merry Christmas!
Andrea Palmat
http://www.amigasoft.net

File is availabbel on OS4Depot..
    

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Re: OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
Posted on 27-Dec-2007 16:04:45
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OWB may be a baby yet but I was trying to track postal packageson the Canada post web site couldn't do it with Aweb or Ibrowse. They kept returning the error invalid traciing number. BUT OWB worked perfectly. Way to go. Thanks to you I didn't have to use my friends windows box to do it.
Hurrah for OWB. It has a permanent spot on my amidiock.

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What afxgroup has done for the amiga comunity is amazing! mplayer and this browser . He is really doing what he can to bring us good software . Also, I want you to remember that when he began porting mplayer he got help from a morphos user that had already ported mplayer to morphos. So there are some sane morhpos and aos users out there and........ the others ...

However... the feeling to read the sites that you couldn't in AOS 4 is incredible! I'm in a very happy place right now ... writing this in IBrowse though wich doesn't feel too bad either

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@R-Team

You're talking about things you know nothing about. So who are you to talk about the Sputnik bounty when you didn't even contribute?

Hopefully you donated towards OWB!


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@ Painter you have a PM.

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You are great...thx for this patch!!..now you make an pacth whit toolbar`s :) and that is enough for this year


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Posted on 27-Dec-2007 19:31:45
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stupid question maybe... but just out of interest.
to the best of my knowledge andrea is working on a firefox port.
so is this one (owb) sort of a "hobby" project compared to the "real one"?
how's firefox going on?

thanks and
byebye...


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@AlexC - very cool


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@pixie

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If you read the message well you'll see that the real problem is Marcin not being holly enough for deserving money from the OS4 crowd. Remember, he code for MorphOS which is zee competition...


Not entirely fair, IMHO.

I DID donate $100USD to Sputnik, back when it was SUPPOSED to be open source, which would allow a port to OS4. Then, the story changed to MOS only. I PMed Targhan for a refund, and he did finally respond (this was back when he wasn't on MZ very often..), then had some mail issues. End result - no refund, and I'm not going to pursue it, but nor am I going to donate anything additional to the Sputnik project.

So, it isn't really a moot point that Andreas mentions 'no bounty,' as at least some people felt mislead from when they donated to the original Sputnik bounty..


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Posted on 27-Dec-2007 21:52:19
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There is a URL toolbar patch for OWB on os4 Depot now


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@Wegster:

I've read some gems from R-Type on some other site who shall not be named, and this guy has a clear agenda to push and it's clearly anti anything that is not OS 4.

As for your point, fair enough, I'm not too queen on Sputnik either for the very own reason that it isn't Open Source, but then, I haven't donated to it either.

In your case it was a very specific reason, the reason that one browser has arrived shouldn't be reason for one jumping, imagine what would be if that was the rule. In a bounty there's a two way commitment, imagine one developer working hard to reach the bounty and all the suddenly, for something outside the bounty scope people just rolled out in droves...


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@pixie
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As for your point, fair enough, I'm not too queen on Sputnik either for the very own reason that it isn't Open Source, but then, I haven't donated to it either.

In your case it was a very specific reason, the reason that one browser has arrived shouldn't be reason for one jumping, imagine what would be if that was the rule. In a bounty there's a two way commitment, imagine one developer working hard to reach the bounty and all the suddenly, for something outside the bounty scope people just rolled out in droves...


I think we agree on both points. I would not have even requested my bounty donation back were it not for 'changing terms' from when I donated vs what it changed in to.

I also don't think people should 'jump bounties' either...although at some point, I think there should be some check in place..AmiZilla is a good example. While I don't entirely agree with changing of the bounty terms once that many donations were received, I also don't think we'll ever see it, so wouldn't be too upset if someone donated 5 years ago and decided they wanted their $ back! :-/

For larger projects, I suppose some sort of time limit check wouldn't be a bad idea- in the case of AmiZilla, like asking donors yearly if they want to leave it in place. *shrug*


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@Georg

Thanks for the Source location!


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@Troels

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Also made a small donation as I think it really looks like a promising project!
Everybody, donations can be made via the PayPal link on Amigasoft.net.

Unfortunatley that link is in Italian, Which I can't read, (I know that's not Andreas fault, it's mine), but I had to copy his paypal account adress, log-in to my own paypal account (english version), and paste it, to make a donation.

So everyone, don't be put off, you know it makes sense, donate today.


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@broadblues

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Well that's me out of a job then

I certainly hope not. I can see how it might sap your motivation, but OWB is by no means as useable as AWeb.


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Posted on 28-Dec-2007 6:43:01
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@VooDoo
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now you make an pacth whit toolbar`s

No need for another patch, all I have to do is modify the top frame on my server to add more features.

Today I tried adding back/forward buttons using onClick="history.go(-1)" and
also onClick="history.back()" but it doesn't behave as I expected.
Not sure why, I'll have to search the web to see if anyone managed to make some forward/back buttons targetting another frame which actually work as intended.

My next idea is to add a history window, if Cookies handling works well enough in OWB I should be able to save the most recent URLs in a Cookie and retreive/display it back.

And then I'd like to make it easy to collapse the toolbar so I'll look into that as well.

Expect to see the toolbar evolve as days go by


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@R-Team

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So my intention was not to let the [from my point] money sitting forever on a bounty
that is [from my point] not ever finnished.Give the money an coder THAT is doing
an BIG task for OS4 ! [and the "sputnik for OS4" bounty IS for an browser FOR OS4
and NOT for anything else !! (browser for all systems or something stupid) ]

Nice idea but the SputnikOS4 agreement has already been made and it cannot be canceled by the release of OWB or any other similar event.

Moreover, I think you should forget about any intentions with the money that are not yours. Rather donate to Andrea, he really deserves it!


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@swoop

Quote:

Quote:

Well that's me out of a job then


I certainly hope not. I can see how it might sap your motivation, but OWB is by no means as useable as AWeb.


That was meant more as an ironic complement. Should have added a smiley I supose . AWeb developement (or at least my contribution to it) is currently stalled due to big changes in my life and me having no time to spare. At the ideas level I'm still quite motivated. This OWB thing does look promising though, but it seems an extreme resource hog at present.


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Hi,

@Troels:

This was only a intention .. not a musst or a poll or anything.
Looking at semilar bountys who the money stay and nothing happen,so the
money was a waste of good will.
My bad feeling over the "Sputnik Bounty" come only to halve from the
"Blue Color" [with remembering of other projects on this side in the
past month/Years] .. the other Halve is coming from the way this "Sputnik
for OS4" was handled and the way it was going [a good point,but not the
only, was coming from wegster] .. so it was not "Purely" my fault that
this bounty have a bad feeling ....*sarcastic*
I am happy if iam wrong and Sputnik WILL relased for MOS and THEN for OS4.

@pixie:

mmh ... last time i checked this WAS a [in the past even a "only"] Amiga site
who have anything related to Amiga ... so an Amiga fan is right here .. or not ?
Or must an user here a to post have love to MOS/AROS AND "maybe" to Amiga .....??
Better rename this site then ....

@AmiKit:

Thanks ;)
I understand your decision.
BUT i really dont understand why people that dislike OS4 can make a big trouble out
of this intention .. it will not Harm the MOS port .. it will not Harm ever other
port .. only related to the OS4 side.
I have maked this Hint to push the OS4 development, not to harm any other side
[but musst say, will any hint that i give anytime,Harm a other OS .. who care my ??
..maybe i am truly on the wrong website .....*sarcastic* ]

So i see it is hard to post on an "Amiga like" [anyway] website an hint that push
OS4 .. many user [that have nothing and will never have a OS4 or any related to OS4
{except hate} -THIS going not to Troels-] complayn over this ..

A simply "No,dont need to transfer" cant enough ... [on this site]

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@R-Team
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it will not Harm the MOS port .. it will not Harm ever other port

I think it would harm the OS4 port of Sputnik. Imagine that you are contracted to make such a port with the promise that you receive the bounty money once the port is done. You start working on it. And suddenly the bounty money disappears. Needless to say it would harm the credibility of Amiga bounties in general.

To make it short and simple: "No need to transfer the bounty."

Last edited by AmiKit on 28-Dec-2007 at 04:08 PM.
Last edited by AmiKit on 28-Dec-2007 at 04:06 PM.


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Hi,

@AmiKit:

he,he .. i have understand
No need of transfer.

To clarify->
Yes it would Harm the OS4 port -BUT- this port is startet ONLY if the MOS
port ever finished !
This was "my" last information ... [if this changed than feel free to correct
me]
And so the MOS port is in distant of finished .. no work was done on the
OS4 port ATM.IF the MOS port finished .. it will way more easy to collect bounty
IF a port here already.
And the "harm the credibility of Amiga bounties in general" was going long time
befor MY hint by the way THIS bounty has going ............

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