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Software News   Software News : OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
   posted by afxgroup on 24-Dec-2007 10:12:50 (16720 reads)
OWB - Origyn Web Browser for AmigaOS4
The first (in)complete Modern Web Browser for AmigaOS4

I'm happy to announce that today we have a web browser for AmigaOS4 that supports almost all modern web technologies.

Since it is a project in an early state I'll write first what doesn't work.. Don't expect at moment Tool bars and all other things present in all browser. But i assure you that we are working on this. But i would release something for Christmas also to see your feedback about this browser.

OK. Let's go...



WHAT DOESN'T WORK:
# FILE TRANSFER
# Cookies: sometimes and on some sites login is impossible.
# Crashes: There are some sites that crashes and you could have some crashes on
exit. Don't send me crash logs.. the functions that crashes are known..
# Chars: Some chars like () in the Italian char actually are not printable.. :(
I can write to you a special version but is better to wait new releases
# Sites Display: 99% of sites works correctly.. but you could find some sites
that doesn't render well. On some sites you could have problem on window's
redraw
# Chinese fonts are not rendered (i think.. or i haven't found a right ttf
font..)
# Don't expect Flash/Movie plugins (at moment..)
# Sometimes the browser could send a bad request to the web server. Go back and
re click on the link
# Copy/Paste of text doesn't work at moment
#There isn't a scroll bar at momen
# maybe other

WHAT WORKS:
# IT IS FREE.. ;)
# NO BOUNTY OR OTHER.. ;)
# Javascript should work on 99% of the web sites
# CSS and all web technologies work perfectly
# True Type fonts are used to display fonts (see notes on how it works)
# SSL works (see notes)
# It is quite fast also on A1200 (well.. doesn't expect the same speed as on an A1..)
# Is updated daily by the OWB developers (and me..)

INSTALLATION AND USAGE:
Copy the fc-cache file included in C/ dir into your C: directory (even if is not is needed) and run it.
Copy the files included in the FONTS/ directory into your FONTS: directory
Copy the files included in the S/ directory into your S: directory
Mount the RANDOM: device from SYS:Storage/DosDrivers/ (or copy it into DEVS:DosDrivers/)

To launch OWB just click on its icon or run from the shell with this syntax:

owb URL

The first time you run it, it will search the FONTS:_TrueType/ directory to see what ttf fonts are available and create some cache files, so you may have to wait for some seconds, depending on how many files you have there. If you run fc-cache first, the owb launch will be fast

To navigate back and forth, use:
ALT -> to go forward
ALT <- to go back

Thanks to everyone working on or testing it!
Thanks to Mason and Kens for their icons!
It's Christmas.. remember me! :)

Thank you and Merry Christmas!
Andrea Palmatè
http://www.amigasoft.net

File is availabbel on OS4Depot..
    

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pixie 
Re: OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
Posted on 28-Dec-2007 17:29:41
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mmh ... last time i checked this WAS a [in the past even a "only"] Amiga site
who have anything related to Amiga ... so an Amiga fan is right here .. or not ?
Or must an user here a to post have love to MOS/AROS AND "maybe" to Amiga .....??
Better rename this site then ....


No need pal, the name is right, AMIGAWORLD, and guess what, AROS UAE MOS and maybe AMIGAOS4 are all part of it. If you don't like it perhaps you're better do some kind of time travel, because in this reality things happened his way, hurry! You're a bit late to rewrite history and the train is already leaving...

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A simply "No,dont need to transfer" cant enough ... [on this site]

By this very own line of reasoning, perhaps the best thing to do would be not questioning it *at all*.


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FluffyMcDeath 
Re: OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
Posted on 28-Dec-2007 18:23:03
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The renders look good, but on my system they are glacially slow. I think I must have effed up something. Between the downloading message and the appearance of the page, several minute elapse. I'll play with it again tonight, perhaps, and see if I can figure out what went wrong.

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Re: OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
Posted on 28-Dec-2007 19:24:19
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Thanbks alot for the big heads up I changed servers and forgot to update my profile. Now I have to goto other sites I'm pn and see if I forgot them. Been a heck of a year. Still rebuilding from last flood. hope I've gotr things set to prevent flooding this year.

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Troels 
Re: OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
Posted on 28-Dec-2007 22:43:05
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Sorry for hijacking this thread a bit!

@R-TEAM

Quote:
And so the MOS port is in distant of finished .. no work was done on the OS4 port ATM.IF the MOS port finished .. it will way more easy to collect bounty
IF a port here already.


I kindly suggest you keep quiet about things you don't know anything about. Code has already been modified to ease the porting to OS4, machinery has been delivered to Marcin, hours have been spend on email conversation, forum discussions etc. To change the bounty now would mean a total loss of credibility for me and any future Amiga related bounty.

I too would have preferred to see Sputnik 100% open sourced but that is not going to happen and those are the terms people have contributed to the "Sputnik for OS4 bounty" on.

Unlike the Mozilla bounty, money won't be stuck in this bounty forever, Marcin was delayed by the lack of hardware but still has to keep his part of the deal, offcourse within a reasonable time.

Work is continuing on the MOS version and as soon it hits a level where it is usable for everyday browsing Marcin will start on the OS4 port, will probably be after the next MOS beta is out! OWB wasn't an option back when Sputnik for OS4 bounty was started, please keep that in mind.

BTW. If you look at the dates off the donations made for the bounty you will see it was by no means hard to get the funding. Had I known it would have been that easy to get funds I would probably have started a 100% open source effort that could have had some broader backing (AROS, MOS, Classic, OS4).

Now as it is payday I suggest you donate a bit to Andrea and/or other OS4 developers!


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FluffyMcDeath 
Re: OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
Posted on 29-Dec-2007 7:44:14
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Well, let me just reply to myself....

Seems that fc-cache generates a file in s: with a very long name. My system drawer does not have very long names turned on so my file gets a truncated name, then, since it can't be opened, it gets deleted.

creating it in ram: was ok. Now the renders are much quickier I guess since owb is no longer trying to build the font cache again and again.

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FluffyMcDeath 
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Posted on 29-Dec-2007 8:19:33
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From: The Drive, Vancouver, BC

Holy CR*P!
I just saw my house on google maps .... ON MY AMIGA!!!!

That was cool. Unfortunately I couldn't post that news here using owb ... and it has slownesses still. But very cool.

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Chip 
Re: OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
Posted on 29-Dec-2007 14:39:15
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From: Budapest, Hungary

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ON MY AMIGA!!!!


According to Pixie's comment you probably wanted to say: "ON MY MAYBE AMIGA!!!!"

Anyway, it's good to know google maps works fine with owb! Thanks!

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pixie 
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Posted on 29-Dec-2007 16:57:47
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According to Pixie's comment you probably wanted to say: "ON MY MAYBE AMIGA!!!!"


Last time I check Commodore wasn't on court with Amiga Inc...


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Re: OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
Posted on 29-Dec-2007 19:14:16
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From: RTP, NC USA

Let's leave the legal issues out of the news item, please.

If MOS, AROS and UAE are 'Amiga,' AOS4 certainly is, regardless of any court outcome or debates. Let's leave it at that.


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shastar 
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Posted on 29-Dec-2007 20:48:33
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Nice...... excited...

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Hypex 
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Posted on 30-Dec-2007 2:39:31
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From: Greensborough, Australia

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So a browser using SDL to render its whole "interface" is in the spirit of Amiga. The spirit has got really low then.


I agree about SDL. I am starting to hate all the OS4 games that use it, they are not real Amiga games, they just all seem to be rehashed 80's games made for some cross-platform 2d gfx API that steals all your CPU time. But, at his time, even an SDL browser is welcome!

Quote:
6 months to recompile something that has almost 0% specific os code would be more accurate (which means only only add tweaks/work arounds to the code so that it runs on a "not so posix" system). Just for the record, compiling webkit is the easy part. Now if you also just use SDL to do the real display work, there's nothing left to do (almost). The real work resides in the native backend used to display and handle content (which would rely on QT, SDL, MUI, Reaction, whatever).


Well, at least he did it. We haven't yet seen anything from the other efforts. Maybe like the author of Sputnik said, "maybe because no one really ever tried." Something like that.

Quote:
I'm really surprised noone sees the difference between recompiling and actually porting a sofware using native toolkit, but well, nevermind.


If it was so easy then what was all the fuss about raising $10,000 dollars to get a CSS browser on AmigaOS, namely Firefox, when this could have been done ages ago.

Quote:
Still, it this browser evolves it can be useful, but i don't see how it's comparable to any other effort, and btw, it would be completely useless to ib or aweb teams.


For IBrowse, yes, as it kicks it where it hurts. But IB has CSS WIP for 3.0. For AWeb, it isn't useless, as they have been looking for a replacemement render engine, and this could be it. They were looking at KHTML last time, how does this compare?

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Posted on 30-Dec-2007 15:01:58
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meep

New OWB GUI v0.2 version is on OS4 Depot !!!!


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Posted on 7-Jan-2008 17:11:37
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OWB and IBrowse 2.4 tip:

Well, you can create a popup menu item in IBrowse 2.4 to launch OWB with the current URL.



This is a great tip and I have it working. I would also like to do the samething but by using the Preference/GUI/Fab Menus/Link. So,that I could do a right click on a link and have it launch owb. Any thoughts, can it be done?

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