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Events   Events : Launch of OS3.9 and AmigaDE demo at ACE2K
   posted by Slick on 24-Jan-2008 14:36:10 (8683 reads)
This is probably Bill's most detailed demo and explanation of AmigaDE (now known as OS5)... it worked then.. it has been refined since

These video's include a demo of AmigaDE and explanation of how it works (a tiny virtual processor is written so that the software always sees the same hardware)... this is why the software is so portable and powerful.

Read more...



The software can be run either hosted on another OS or natively:

The video was shot in 2000 at ACE (Amiga Computer Expo) 2000 in Melbourne Victoria Australia where ~1000 people attended.

Part is shot at the show and part at the dinner and quiz night which ~100 people attended.

Disk 2/3
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6211539973704687513

The official launch of OS3.9 and more discussion on AmigaDE (what is now known as OS5)

Disk 3/3
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=7857204396743217394

Disk 1/3 has been damaged but we hope someone will come forward with it.

Michael was one of the organisers of ACE2000 and spent a fair bit of time with Bill McEwan. He also saw private demo's of AmigaDE made to journalists. Most Amigans have never had the opportunity to see these demo's.
    

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Re: Launch of OS3.9 and AmigaDE demo at ACE2K
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@ Slick

I always knew it as Alternate computing expo, being there with the Amiga user group I'm in.

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I always knew it as Alternate computing expo, being there with the Amiga user group I'm in.


Same here, on both counts.

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Some people actually complained there was too much Amiga stuff at the show... and that it was really an Amiga show (we had more Amiga stuff than anything else by far).

We did have about 40 different OS's at the show so we don't think we misled anyone... but it was very much about the Amiga.

After all Bill McEwan was the only speaker at the ACE dinner... and only Amigans attended that and the quiz night... which Bill chose to launch OS3.9 at... can you get any more Amiga than that? Bill was also the keynote speaker at the show where he demonstrated AmigaDE. Nobody got more time than Amiga!!!

One of the best demo's at the show was video editing on the Draco! It was awesome... and probably one of the few demo's that we never got on video. What a shame!

If you're willing to take the organisers word for it... it really was an Amiga show... we just had to come up with a way to make it successful... and inviting other OS's was the way we chose. Alll feedback suggests we pulled it off successfully.

We have had many requests to hold another ACE from non Amigans. The only reason we haven't is because there hasn't been enough Amiga action: we're not interested in holding a show with a weak Amiga presence.

If Bill can get us back on track then perhaps we should consider another show?

It's been quite a long time between Amiga shows in Australia!

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I always knew it as Alternate computing expo, being there with the Amiga user group I'm in.


If Damien was to check the advertising put out to the Amiga groups he would find Amiga Computer Expo on most things... we explained at the time that we needed the other OS's to make it successful... and the Amiga user groups all helped with the show (thanks a lot guys!!!). It wouldn't have happened without this kind of help.

We demonstrated that it was still possible to hold a successful Amiga show... proving the naysayers wrong... and had a great time doing it.

As a result of the show the Sydney Amiga User Group got restarted... and the Canberra and Melbourne groups got a shot in the arm. I think it was also the genesis for ADUG the national group.

We are very grateful to Bill McEwan for believing in ACE enough to make the long trek to Australia. We know he wasn't dissapointed! ...and neither were we.

Like the rest of you we hope that Amiga is successful because the world desperately needs something better than Microsoft.


PS. I'm the President of the user group Damien is referring to http://go.to/maug (bit of shameless promotion for a great user group).

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At least this is uptodate news...... NOT

Looked like it was a pretty good show though!
Rude!


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@slick

Thanks for the info. I think you have far more faith in Bill and Amiga Inc than many of us, but that's ok/your perogative I haven't yet made it to watch the videos, once I saw the first one is like an hour long

@all
I approved the news item. Yes, it's dated, and is not technically 'news,' but it does at least provide some possibly 'real' content about the original AA.

@general
I've got no problems with the idea behind AA, other than I believe AI totally incapable of producing anything, and their 'hints' that somehow it has anything to do with 'traditional Amiga.' I also expect it to be a case of 'too little, WAY too late' with AA2, although AA at least if it had been handled competently, and around 2000, could have done something, even if not for 'Amigans.'


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I can't see the point in posting this as an Event news item...

This is not a news, nor an upcoming event.

A regular thread topic would suffice to point to these videos, and have those interested in DE discuss it.


I'll have to agree.

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Dimtros wrote:
Do the LLVM compiled binaries run on multiple and different platforms? Does LLVM have a runtime VM like Java? I thought it was used only from the compiler to produce optimized native code.


The bitcode can be cross-compiled for any of the host operating systems. The runtime VM is a very lightweight set of static libraries that will access the native OS functions. There is only enough in there to access OS-specific shared libraries and static libraries and the standard C/C++ runtimes.

With a hosted OS like AROS, however, we'd know in advance what OS functions to look for on the destination platforms so a packager or installer that was LLVM aware could install, for example, an AROS binary compiled on PowerPC to an x86_64-bit system as long as the bitcode files were distributed.

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An old pic from me:



PS: i saw the DE in germany at a press/dev-presentation and
i must say it was waouw back then. If only they could add
some AOS pieces to it to make it a bit more Amiga.

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The beauty of OS5 is that it requires no recompilation... it worked in 2000... so there's no reason to doubt it works in 2008... and every reason to suppose it has progessed since then.

This is basically an OS5 post... made in news because OS5 is currently under discussion... and the videos offer a lot more insight into the nature of OS5 than anything anyone else has managed to post: Uninformed speculation is counter productive. Showing people a live working AmigaDE demo is a good way to at least get the discussion back on a factual basis.

NB. Posting even archival information also usually qualifies as news... if it hasn't been done before.

So far there has been no comparable offering by other companies... so OS5/AA2 still has an advantage over other software approaches but... it would be really useful to get a detailed update from Amiga on improvements to OS5 (this version) so that we were doing a bit less speculating.

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The bitcode can be cross-compiled for any of the host operating systems. The runtime VM is a very lightweight set of static libraries that will access the native OS functions. There is only enough in there to access OS-specific shared libraries and static libraries and the standard C/C++ runtimes.

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and every reason to suppose it has progessed since then.


such as...?

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@Slick

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After all Bill McEwan was the only speaker at the ACE dinner... and only Amigans attended that and the quiz night... which Bill chose to launch OS3.9 at... can you get any more Amiga than that? Bill was also the keynote speaker at the show where he demonstrated AmigaDE. Nobody got more time than Amiga!!!


No, we had "foreigners" that night. I can remember some non Amiga guy crying out "Why can't you just let it die?!" when Bill was on stage. So, why can't that guy let Linux die and accept that Windows is better? Yeah right, hypocrite!

I also remember some idiot crying out and complaining about a prize he won because it's wasn't good enough for him or something. I know it was related to giving charity PCs to kids. Then he started swearing and I almost told him off and pushed him off his seat! Your mum and sister were there and they didn't need to hear that language as well as others. I thought he was a bit insulting.

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One of the best demo's at the show was video editing on the Draco! It was awesome... and probably one of the few demo's that we never got on video. What a shame!


A demo of the first Amiga based computer (IIRC) without CIA chips? That would have been priceless!

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We have had many requests to hold another ACE from non Amigans. The only reason we haven't is because there hasn't been enough Amiga action: we're not interested in holding a show with a weak Amiga presence.


I disagree, we'd had alot happen since then. Back then we were just using real Amigas, now we are into emulators and Amithlon really set off that scene. Until then I don't think people into Amiga were using Amga emulators seriously. We also had the Pegasos and MorphOS. And of course the AmigaOne and OS4. And OS4 for Classic PPC Amigas. We'd be quite a mixed bunch these days.

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I always knew it as Alternate computing expo, being there with the Amiga user group I'm in.


If Damien was to check the advertising put out to the Amiga groups he would find Amiga Computer Expo on most things... we explained at the time that we needed the other OS's to make it successful... and the Amiga user groups all helped with the show (thanks a lot guys!!!). It wouldn't have happened without this kind of help.


Although I concur with the above quote, why are you telling me? I didn't type it!

Well, I'm afraid that was a long ago man! And I can't see any ads about it now. But I knew the reason it was marketed to the outside world.

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As a result of the show the Sydney Amiga User Group got restarted... and the Canberra and Melbourne groups got a shot in the arm. I think it was also the genesis for ADUG the national group.


IIRC it may have been eariler, at the OS3.5 pre realease in Canberra. Us Aussies are lucky. We even got Petro here once. [Before.]

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Like the rest of you we hope that Amiga is successful because the world desperately needs something better than Microsoft.


And while Amiga seems to be getting into bed with them, are they simply playing sleeping with the enemy?

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PS. I'm the President of the user group Damien is referring to http://go.to/maug (bit of shameless promotion for a great user group).


Although I don't remember referring to it directly I'm happy to take thbe credit! Oh and I'm the Secretary.

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@Slick

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The beauty of OS5 is that it requires no recompilation... it worked in 2000... so there's no reason to doubt it works in 2008... and every reason to suppose it has progessed since then.


Although that is true, yes, mostly for one target hardware it was compiled for that and the executables made native to it.

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A demo of the first Amiga based computer (IIRC) without CIA chips?


Depends on your viewpoint. The CD32, albeit a console, had no CIA chips. Akiko handled the i/o on that machine.

To make the CD32 into a real computer required an expansion unit. The original unit, the SX-1 did use CIA chips to control the additional I/O. The internally fitted SX-32 (and its MKII and Pro derivatives) did not use CIA chips.

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"The beauty of OS5 is that it requires no recompilation... it worked in 2000... so there's no reason to doubt it works in 2008... and every reason to suppose it has progessed since then."

Today we have generalized 2D (SDL) and 3D (OpenGL) graphics libraries etc., no need for emulators if you can run it natively with ease.


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A demo of the first Amiga based computer (IIRC) without CIA chips? That would have been priceless!


Nope

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Rob said:
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UAE runs on more platforms than AmigaDE.
UAE runs on Amiga OS.


@Rob
UAE runs more games than AmigaDE.
UAE runs better games than AmigaDE.
UAE runs more applications than AmigaDE.

In the war of Amiga Virtual Machines it appears almost as if UAE might be winning.


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It requires a powerful computer to run UAE...
AmigaDE can run on mobile phones

Amiga has never released a full list of processors it had written virtual processors for... but they support a number of mobile devices and also wrote one for the PC...

Exactly how many platforms does UAE run on?

Don't be too sure that AmigaDE doesn't run on more platforms than UAE (unless UAE runs on more platforms than I think it does). However that would be a good question to ask Bill when he finally releases an official press release on OS5.

I like UAE... but the Amiga Anywhere concept is quite potent... they're not really in competition with each other.

The more Amiga software the better?



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UAE runs on more platforms than AmigaDE.
UAE runs on Amiga OS.


@Rob
UAE runs more games than AmigaDE.
UAE runs better games than AmigaDE.
UAE runs more applications than AmigaDE.

In the war of Amiga Virtual Machines it appears almost as if UAE might be winning.
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@Slick

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Exactly how many platforms does UAE run on?


Well so far I have run UAE on my PC, my dreamcast, and GP2X. I use it to run Knockout 2, Superfrog, Turrican 2 and SuperSkidmarks.

How many of the devices listed can I run AmigaDE on TODAY? I'm not talking about possibilities promised by Billy, I want to know which machines I can buy AmigaDE for today? And then I want to know what games I can play, having purchased DE?

Oh... I'm still waiting on a response to:

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Quote:

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and every reason to suppose it has progessed since then.



such as...?


I'm really intrigued to learn the reasons we have to suppose DE has progressed since that statement.

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There seem to be a bunch of vids of seemingly the same talks on youtube, found by the followign search:

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=bill+mcewen&search=Search

Are these the same? Do they include anything missing (ie stuff from disk 1?)

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Hi,

I've checked they are parts of ACE... including some of the missing parts... I had noticed them before but wasn't able to use them as the quality is much lower than the originals and they are missing bits... plus the video disappeared while the sound continued when I watched the first video on You Tube.

However since I last posted I managed to recover the video off the CD (it had a scratch on the reflective surface) and then repair it. I've just finished uploading the complete video... you'll find it at:

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1292870932583900048

The other advantage is that the google video is only in 3 parts and it's in 14 parts on You Tube... even in it's reduced form.

Thanks for the heads up though.

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