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News   News : Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
   posted by DaveyD on 27-Apr-2003 11:58:47 (36719 reads)
Given the rumours, we asked fleecy the following...

"Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?"

Fleecy: As of this moment Bill McEwen is the CEO of Amiga and if a new CEO was to be brought in, it would be because of Amiga expanding as a company and Bill needing to concentrate on being Chairman and President - currently he is CEO as well and three top jobs in a company that is attracting the attention we are is at least one job too many.


Any CEO to be brought in would be as part of the team and would be totally in sync with the current strategic direction of the company.

If someone is posting information to the contrary then it can only be for ulterior motives.
    

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Androxyn 
Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
Posted on 28-Apr-2003 15:02:27
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His name is Garry Hare, mate. Note the 2 R's :)

So, nice pics, but no score ;)

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@Androxyn

Nicely spotted .

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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
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It seemthat is the first... for what fleecy and other said...


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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
Posted on 28-Apr-2003 15:10:18
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It seems the information minister has done several broadcasts already.

 
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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
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Admit that it's in your interests to see Amiga Inc. die, rather that all this "would be more reassuring" crap. There is no point discussing something with someone if they aren't going to be honest about thier motives, frankly it's pathetic.

No, it's not in my interests to see Amiga, Inc. die. Yes, I am in Phoenix and some of us are involved with Genesi but, as I posted on another forum, the situation in my opinion is not either Amiga or Genesi. In fact if Amiga, Inc. did get its products out successfully, it'd prove that a commerical alt OS is viable, verifying what Genesi is also trying to do.

It's sad that so many people think we all have to be one on side or the other.

What I don't like is some of the choices Amiga, Inc. has made along the way, and the way they have managed things. I have never said, nor do I feel, that I'd like Amiga, Inc. to die.

-- gary_c

 
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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
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Indeed, gary_c is very much Pro MorphOS, has a Pegasos running MorphOS, with his previous postings on Amiga.org and ANN are very much Anti Amiga.

Don't try to paint me with that broad brush; people who aren't familiar might think it's an accurate description. First of all, your facts are off. True, I got a Pegasos board but haven't had time yet to round up the components. I'm involved with Phoenix and we are working with Genesi. I think you'll find that there are many people who are interested in MorphOS/Pegasos that aren't anti-Amiga, Inc. It is possible to like two things at once.

If you read my posts about Amiga, Inc., I think you'll find that what I argue about are certain business choices, certain management decisions, certain ways of doing things, etc. Isn't it possible to criciticize such details without being labeled "Anti-Amiga"? Or with you, is it love them or else you must hate them? Sorry, but I believe there are degrees of enthusiasm.Quote:
It is Ludicrous for him to try and pretend to be a neutral, when clearly he has made his position very clear previously.

Apparently I haven't been clear enough about describing my position. I thought it was clear that I was criticizing particular details about Amiga or whatever. But for some people, it seems, getting a label on the person's position is the all-important thing. That's a little too simple-minded for me. I don't care about taking sides; it's the ideas that are important, not the players.Quote:
At least you know where you stand with HooliganDCS, he makes his position very clear.

Yes, I like his clear ways, too.

-- gary_c

 
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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
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Sadly I would have to agree considering the level of defence gary_c puts up for the wrongs BB does.

If you notice, I don't jump in at the outset the moment Bill Buck says something, in order to try to back him up. What gets me involved is when other people start slamming him (and it's no surprise that they do this, because to some extent he tries to get people agitated) and saying goofball things. Then I want to chime in for balance. I acknowledge, like a lot of people do, that Bill Buck's ways make them rather uncomfortable at times. But don't confuse my trying to respond to what I think are at times unreasonable counterattacks against him as simple-minded support for him. As he himself has publicly posted, one thing he likes about Phoenix is the independence of its members, and I'd like to say that continues even as we work with Genesi.Quote:
but now it's clear to me that his personal interests far outweigh his reasoning.

Please address my reasoning itself, if you find it lacking. I'll reply in kind, as we have had quite constructive conversations recently. My personal interests are not so significant regarding Genesi that they'd make me say things that wouldn't otherwise stand up. And Bill Buck has not said to me nor to anyone else I know "in exchange for discounted Pegasoses, here's what I want you to say." AFAIK there are no strings attached. Everyone is just involved for mutual benefit.

I hope you are not using labeling as a means of putting me down, when it's my arguments you disagree with.

-- gary_c

 
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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
Posted on 28-Apr-2003 16:19:44
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They appear to have removed their all important super proof from A.Org. This to me says more than that poorly produced business card. It seems a.org just aint worth visiting anymore.

 
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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
Posted on 28-Apr-2003 16:37:59
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@Gary_c: I am glad to hear this. I was quite disturbed by the way you were immediately attacked by certain people for holding a certain disposition, without them addressing what you actually said. I do not support MOS whatsoever but I think when people behave like this they are no better than the trolls on the other side of the fence. Behaviour like this causes further division in the community. I don't think we should sink to other peoples level by making personal attacks. People at amigaworld should always treat others with the utmost respect, even if those others aren't on your side. That is the only way this site can remain better than the others.

What is really a bad thing is giving bad vibes out to those who have a certain opinion on things. For instance, if I went to amiga.org or ann.lu and posted a pro-amiga comment, I would be attacked to it, and made to feel unwelcome. I personally would not like MOS supporters to feel this same unpleasantness at amigaworld.net just because they like MOS. Same goes for supporters of anyone/anything else. As long as they remain polite, they should be made to feel welcome. What we really want (I hope) is to make this a haven from trolls, not MOS supporters. If you are on the Amiga side, you are still as much capable of being a troll as 'those other guys'. Mikey_C, not to personally attack you mate, but what you said before would probably sound 'trollish' if it came from the mouth of a MOS supporter and was laying down an amiga supporter. Don't sink to their level is basically what I am saying.

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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
Posted on 28-Apr-2003 16:54:30
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His name is Garry Hare, mate. Note the 2 R's :)

Damn!
GaRRRRRy Hare seems to be involved in Atari somehow. Oh dear.



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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
Posted on 28-Apr-2003 17:13:19
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Well here it is.
Some people may not have realized this, but the Genesi product is NOT an amiga, any more than a mustang is a Ferarri.Ther may be similariteis (i.e. the cars have 4 wheels each and genesi does run some classic software) but thats where it ends.
my AMD 1600 xp also runs classic Amiga software and so has as much claim to being an Amiga as the Genesi product.
Genesi is a competitor to the Amiga, plain and simple.As such any claims they may make about Amiga Inc must be backed up with proof, tangible proof or else be treated with suspicion and ignored.
Genesi continually insists it want to work with the Amiga community, work with Amiga Inc(except the Bill McEwen part) and so on.Fine, if it wants to produce and Amiga it can, all it has to do is produce a certified Machine the same as Eyetech has with all the liscences etc that may be required and run OS4 on it when it is released.
Do they do this? No.Instead they produce a competitor to the AmigaOne machine, lodge a lawsuit against Amiga Inc, and continue to make unsupported statements about Amiga Inc and so on.
Genesi is a competitor, it acts like a competitor, and all it is interested in is claiming as large a market share of the Amiga community as it can, just like any other competing company.
I would be a much happier person if the community areas were clearly serperated into those supporting the REAL amiga, and those that are competitors.Until this happens we are never going to get rid of this turmoil, or even get it reduced to an acceptable level.


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Posted on 28-Apr-2003 17:41:07
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@ gary_c

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If you notice, I don't jump in at the outset the moment Bill Buck says something, in order to try to back him up.


Currently that would be rather difficult I believe.

I based my earlier comment on our little conversation a short while ago and your reaction was kind of unexpected for me considering all the effort and time I invested in the conversation to pursuade you that I wasn't lying. For instance why not state: "Regardless of anything you say it's not a big deal IMO" instead of asking me to provide proof.

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Please address my reasoning itself, if you find it lacking.


I wasn't really replying to your first message within this thread, but IMO it's really good Amiga partnered with some excellent third parties to create products for the community. Personally I greatly prefer this, instead of having everything under one hood. This would IMO make future partnerships harder to realize, due to conflicting interests.

For example, Genesi is both a hardware and software developing company. So to partner with another 3rd party hardware manufacturer would be against the interests of its hardware devision.

Also I have great respect for the Amiga employees which have continued to work very hard, determined to stay in business during difficult times. Now things are finally turning for the better. AmigaDE availability in mainstream shops is already excellent news.

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Posted on 28-Apr-2003 17:41:56
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@IonMane

That's right! That went through my mind severall times as well.

The Pegasos can get OS 4 on it. They have to sign the same damn license contract Eyetech and Elbox did.

But noooooooooo, BB doesn't want to do that. He wants special treatment.

The Pegasos users that still hope that OS 4 will run on the Pegasos have to know that it's BB preventing this from happening himself.


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The REAL CEO of AMIGA
Posted on 28-Apr-2003 17:42:28
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=456&forum=4

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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
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@ Hooligan

MikeB: Quote:
What do you mean, this has been 100% confirmed already by Terry himself! Wait.... wait..... gonna give him a call and come back to you with an exact quote....


Hooligan: Quote:
I'd appreciate that


Finally I got hold of Terry! I will cite him for you: "Everything Mike Bouma tells you is true, every infidel claiming otherwise shall burn in hell for it." So there you have it.

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Re: Has Amiga Inc changed CEO?
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http://amiga.org/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=966

to all who belived that it was removed...., hmmm smells fishy still...lets hope its fake..


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> http://amiga.org/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=966
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> to all who belived that it was removed...., hmmm smells fishy still...lets hope its fake..

Wouldn't really bother me that much if it was real, but I think there is a decent chance that it is not. One thing is that it is increadibly blurry (just like those UFO pictures), another thing is that it is apparently...uhh...square (as someone at AOrg pointed out). Never seen a square business card before (not that I've seen many, so I could be wrong).

Kay

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Err anyone know what a CEO actually does as opposed to a Chairman or President?

You see the only thing I'm really interested in is product. Much as I dislike BB activities, he does seem to have (limited) product available.


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You see the only thing I'm really interested in is product. Much as I dislike BB activities, he does seem to have (limited) product available.


Amiga do to! It might not be what you want but they have a money making thing going on with Microsoft and the DE.

They left the hardware design in the hands of people with better experience which means the AOne is here *NOW*.

They left the OS 4 design in the hands of the 30 best programmers in the Amiga industry that all know what we want in the OS.

So they have done a pretty good job so far. Yes, they have made mistakes and yes they have admitted it and are now trying to better themselves.

At some point you have to stop bringing up the past. That's why we still have wars; humantiy can't stop bringing up the past.


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@IonMane

I agree with you on that one, I have been thinking the very same myself.


@All

As I don't know all the facts about MOS (this Q-BOX/A-BOX thing just confused be so I stopped reading!) so I would just like to ask a couple of questions:

Does MOS run/use Exec, the kernal of the Amiga OS?

Is MOS using the actual API's from Amiga OS or just ones that are compatable?

I am not trying to flame bait here, but I am trying to have more of an understanding of the way that MOS works.

Anyways most of this post is WAY off topic! Feel free to PM me!


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