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Announcement   Announcement : AmigaOS 4.1 for Pegasos II
   posted by Rogue on 31-Jan-2009 17:30:08 (48363 reads)
Antwerp, Belgium - January 31, 2009.

Hyperion Entertainment is pleased to announce the immediate availability of AmigaOS 4.1 for the Pegasos II PowerPC platform.


AmigaOS 4.1 for the Pegasos II is functionally identical to the AmigaOne version.

Worldwide distribution to dealers and production are handled by ACube Systems S.r.l. .

Interested customers are invited to contact their local Amiga dealer to place their order.
    

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 for Pegasos II
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@mausle

The article isn't really accurate.. RTAS is a single node in the OpenFirmware device tree, and it behaves like any other package in OF. It has a method to instantiate a copy of itself at a given address in a memory area that sticks around.

It is part of the CHRP specifications.

Macs lack the RTAS, and hence require direct chipset support.


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@Rogue
I wasn't posting this for Macs.

Btw. the efika also has RTAS support in its firmware,
and probably also Fixstars Powerstation.

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ideas for the future http://www.liliputing.com/2009/01/limepc-199-freescale-powered-netbook-video.html


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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 for Pegasos II
Posted on 1-Feb-2009 11:59:54
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Great work!

When wiil Hyperion site go up with more pictures, infos, annoucments...?
When you make powerstation port or ..?

Buissnes is serious now! Coiuple more platforms and you will start to make profit!:)


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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 for Pegasos II
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I hope that with this Hyperion step, this stupid red versus blue war and fanatic of some users and coders, that only want support their loved system and block others by not helping or answer questens or wriet stupid things end now.

That the spirit of Linux come to the amiga scene.

If you ask what the spirit of Linux is.I think its this

Every programmer help if he need not much work, when somebody want his program Port to another System allow the add of defines etc and find if there is no feature loss a common way so his code work on more Systems.

No user on Linux say Suse PPC is the future you are stupid when you use other CPU.
Best is all other Linux as Suse PPC should die.

>I think that one of the Friedens brothers is the lucky owner of a Pegasos
>machine, and they decided long time ago to support it. You can read posts
>about this on the internet.

hehe good guess, i think, it is important when develop something to have rock solid Hardware.Because when you develop something and your program get strange crashes lets say every 1-100 hours, it is impossible to be sure that the program really run well.

but wy not use a Mac for this.

reason wy SAM OS4.1 is still beta since long time but OS4 on Peg seem final can only logical guess, but i think that it is not good for SAM selling rate if Peg2 is support.

I dont know when MOS reach a better level of better performance and cheaper Hardware by support Mac mini, but if so, there are more Pegs for sell for OS4 Users

MOS support hardware acceleratet opengl, SDL and have USB2, with ambient very powerfull desktop, can dopus magellan run, have with sputnik a browser that can download files, OS4 have important features, i get only dragable screens in mind.
But the user can choose which OS get more usabilty

My guess is that SAM have some problems, but because OS4 is beta, nobody can say, if thats a Bug of OS4 or Sam.

Or maybe acube dont see enough profit in producing SAM in large charge so additonal OS4 users on peg are welcome.

Now see whats happen in future.....

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 for Pegasos II
Posted on 1-Feb-2009 12:27:19
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@Thread:

What some people doesn't seem to understand is that while there were already several people under OS4-betatesting with Pegasos II machines, it wasn't the case for SAM boards, thus it was more difficult to test this port, hence it was labelled "BETA".Feature-wise both should be almost identical.

Finishing it has nothing to do with the "BETA" status of SAM port.


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That the spirit of Linux come to the amiga scene.


Jeepers, I really hope not!


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I'm surprised by this news, but in a good way . Just a pity the Peg2 hasn't been manufactured for a long time (due to RoHS regulations).


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Posted on 1-Feb-2009 13:29:48
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This is great news.

A few questions though:
1. Could the PegII go back into production?
2. Could there be a PegIII?
3. How closely are Genesi and Hyperion working?
4. Have Genesi been added to the ACube family?

These aren't urgent questions, but it would be nice to know.


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@Rogue

the peg 2 has firewire and Gb ethernet, will these work with os4.1 in the future or do they already work?


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Wow..
How rarely do we see progress in bringing Amiga people together instead of splitting them further apart? This is not just a technical announcement, but a social one.

I really need to upgrade to 4.1. I've been out of work for six months now, but I should be able to get it together soon.

Maybe even a new SAM board this summer.. depends on finances.

Big thanks to Hyperion for the great work, and for the positive contributions to the community.

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>>That the spirit of Linux come to the amiga scene.
>Jeepers, I really hope not!

I dont know what amiga OS you prefer that should rule the world
but when you use MOS or OS4, then it seem you are not man enough to use no Linux Software if you think so

Because MOS/OS4 have no C Compilers and use GCC what is special written, that it run on many systems as possible.

GCC and most Linux programs use autoconfig mechanism which detect the systems feature.this is additional code that is not need if say run only on Linux PPC suse.

So can say without GCC MOS/OS4 is not possible.

Also you should use no Cairo, no webkit Browser and all the other many many Linux Soft on this system.

maybe i really should go to Linux Forums and tell how some guys on MOS and OS4 are very incorparate by porting Soft.

It is really bad when a system grep all soft can get but do nothing give back and want only get get get and nothing give

sure there is no GPL entrie for this, and there are many tricks to go arond them.
So can only hope that bad behaviour get no succsess.

But i am sure, Users see this negative too, a system that use such methods to force users to buy expensive Hardware, is i think the reason that this systems have near no market aceptance

>What some people doesn't seem to understand is that while there were already >several people under OS4-betatesting with Pegasos II machines, it wasn't the case >for SAM boards, thus it was more difficult to test this port

I dont understand wy it take over 3 months to get OS4.1 on SAM stable working with the current SAM owners.

I read in forums about sam Problems, and i remember all Sam buyers are testers so only what Hyperion need to do, fix that and release Version to the reporter to test.

also i think testing of a system as OS4.1 using ISO and run on some more machines can say OS4.1 work in general, only small code snippets as Kernel driver, USB, network can fail.

but because this code is used so frequently, bugs are seen soon.

releasing for example OS3.5 OS3.9/boingbag 68k drivers is a much complexer step, depend on the many patches/desktops that are out in this systems.

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@billt

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I thought the ethernet chip docs weren't available, or had difficult NDA restrictions to get access or someting like that. Do I remember wrong?


To be honest, I don't know.

Hans

The Gigabit port is not publically documented (part of the Marvell Discovery), the 100MBit port is documented.


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There's may attitudes displayed by many Linux fans that really irritate, such as the Gnome/KDE b*tch fights that bore so many, this year being the year of the linux desktop, the often bareface lies about how easy it to do stuff, the smuggness about it all.

But what really gets me, is the bully tactics when a small alternative like AmigaOS, or SkyOS or whatever pops up and they just don't get why

Quote:
But i am sure, Users see this negative too, a system that use such methods to force users to buy expensive Hardware, is i think the reason that this systems have near no market aceptance


http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8

Apples expensive hardware package= 9.93%
Linux =0.93%

yah Linux.


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I'm not Rogue, but i can as well answer your questions:

1) As long as no-one wrties a firewire stack for OS4, no firewire port - be it onboard or on a PCI card - is supported... so, not supported, sorry. For future plans? As said.. if someone thinks the effort is worth the result and starts a firewire stack, then there might be one ... but as it stands firewire is pretty dead (eSATA, upcoming USB3) .. IMO.

2) The gigabit ethernet is part of the Marvell Discovery and because of the stupid license/nda/whatever requirements of Marvell we don't have access to any developer documentation. So no, it isn't supported. 100Mbit is supported of course as the documentation for the VIA is widely available. If somebody could talk to Marvell so that they would hand over some documentation to me, i'd probably write a driver .. but without docs, i won't.


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WHAT is the point of Amiga OS for Sam440?


What is the point of your post? I'm posting this from my SAM440 and i love this machine with OS4.


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Thanks for the announcement and the great work.
Support for Pegasos 2 is a good decision, and OS4 is a great product.


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thanks cyborg


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>There's may attitudes displayed by many Linux fans that really irritate, such as the >Gnome/KDE b*tch fights that bore so many, this year being the year of the linux

I mean the situation only in compare with Hardware force fanatic
I think the gnome or KDE guys are happy when their Soft is port to another system.

which Linux systems have a seperate build that is not in the programs Main Tree

Now look on amiga OS.

MOS seperate webkit browser sputnik and there seem here a own OWB port too
OS4 seperate OWB
AROS seperate OWB

MOS seperate SDL
OS4 seperate SDL
68k/AROS sperate SDL

and there are many more programs that are seperate develop.
So i have hope running 68k AROS MOS and OS4 on same hardware (Peg2 or maybe mini mac ) is a good step for better working tohether on amiga Scene

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@bernd_afa

And the tools/SDK on the amiga for porting a C program easily on aos3-aos4-aros-morphOS exist ???? Or maybe exist only on PC computer ???

Maybe It's only possible with app that came from linux for porting to the amiga ???

If tools exists, maybe some of the amiga developpers just want to support their computer in from of them and not the others platforms.

It's sad for the whole community but in another hand understandable, IMHO, because that need lots of free time for all the platforms and other things...

IMHO for smaller tools, It could be possible to do version for all amiga computers (if developpers want that) but IMHO verry difficult for example like OWB because big project (OWB is just one example, of course).

Maybe It's more easy with netsurf about the netsurf code more portable ???

for sure, aos or morphos don't have the same basis but all came from the main developpers of the OSES that have differents skill that give differents developments results and features...

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