@Daff

Nothing wrong with posting benchmarks, but until A1 users can run MorphOS, the odds are stacked against OS4 users. I sense thats the frustration you see more then anything else.

I would also suggest if you see a benchmark that's obviously out of whack between the 2 OS's, you comment it as suspicious (USB copy).

Just my thoughts

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@Daff

thanks for the article

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So recycle a old review... what is the point?
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Maybe these comparisons are useful for the developers of OS4 (and perhaps even MOS), but otherwise I don't see it as very interesting/useful for most people:

We already know that OS4 currently has performance problems with USB & 3D. For the other stuff, well all it shows is that OS4 performs slightly worse than MOS on the Peg2 - whether that is due to Peg drivers or OS4 itself is difficult to tell. And since you can't buy a Peg2, it means the results are fairly useless for those who don't already own a Peg2...

(and no, I haven't bothered to read the article, since I don't own a Peg2!)

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Nothing wrong with posting benchmarks, but until A1 users can run MorphOS, the odds are stacked against OS4 users. I sense thats the frustration you see more then anything else.

This test clearly shows OS4 is slower than MorphOS on the same hardware, in almost every areas: what has the AmigaOne to do with that ?

When showing Win VS Linux benchs do we have to try every motherboard out there to come to the conclusion that one is slower than the other one ? "This is unfair, I'm pretty sure Windows 7 would be faster than Linux on this ASUS xxxy motherboard..."

Of course we couldn't compare a heavily modofied Linux running on a smartphone, with a Linux running on the desktop... But fact is that AmigaOne and Pegasos2 are quite similar in design and raw power. Both use G4 processor, standard IDE controller,... And except very lowlevel stuff, I doubt there is a single difference in the code.

I think it is objective to come to this conclusion. There's no red vs blue, no oil in fire, just a few changes have been added, which were said to be defavorable to OS4. And the conclusion is the same...

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I dont feel so bad about it: would like to see MOS for SAM and A1, too
to end the war.

This kind of issues (MEM benchs, USB benchs ...) actually indicate
what Hyperion should improve.

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it will be very interesting to see these benchmark on Sam440/AmigaOne, because maybe this OS4 for Peg isn't fast as OS4 for Sam/A1

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@Daff : During the Alchimie, I'll be glad to test AmigaOS 4.1 on your Peg II, just to have a precise idea. Since I'll have my AmigaOne, we'll be able to see how it really compares and if there are indeed flaws with the MorphOS version or if it's the whole AmigaOS 4.1 that is the problem

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Originally MOS had a few years advantage in the start od R&D.
And it still shows.

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@Seiya

Yes, but also SAM version isn't full optimized imho. I hope to see the final SAMO ISO out soon.

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There hasn't been any hardware produced for MorphOS for several years!

You can order Efikas to Directron.

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So who is supposed to use it. There can't be any new users - Or!?

Mac Mini G4 version is being tested by MorphOS betatesters right now and will probably be available this year

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maybe this OS4 for Peg isn't fast as OS4 for Sam/A1

A G4 running at 1Ghz runs rings around an embedded 603e-like with no L2 cache. So apart from disk access you'll probably get worse results on a Sam440.

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You can order Efikas to Directron.

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How much does a Mac Mini G4 cost?

@Leo

So if Pegasos 2 is the fastest hardware available for AmigaOS and MorphOS today...
Why then is OS4.x performing better on A1 G4 than on Peg2?

I think this is one of the core issues AmigaOS users have with this comparison.
Not that you care why things are the way they are just as long as MOS wins eh?

MorphOS is optimized to this hardware and OS4.x has only been made to run on the
hardware.. It's anyone's guess if this will change in the future, but I doubt OS4 team will
do any major optimizing of such a small hardware market unless some bugs or features
that make OS4 extremely unusable surfaces. It's quite amazing that they made a version
for Pegasos2 in the first place IMHO.

Note that I have no doubt that MOS would win most of the speed tests.

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@Samwel: I don't care why. It's slow. And if MorphOS was running on A1, it would be faster as well. But MorphOS Team doesn't support buggy hardware.

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@Leo

Haha nice bait.. But I'm not that fanatic to fall for it.. Try someone else?

Here's one for you as a test of your character: No they only support dead hardware!

Which of our statements are less true?

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Haha nice bait.. But I'm not that fanatic to fall for it.. Try someone else?

I'm not fanatic either: if it was the other way around, I'd say MorphOS would be slower. And wouldn't look for some excuse... And I would happily with it ;)
Be it drivers not matured,... it would be slower, period.

Care to define "dead hardware" ?
MorphOS supports Pegasos, Efika, and MacMini is in the works. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you may still buy an Efika. PPC MacMini hasn't been produced nor supported anymore by Apple, sure.

But the bright side is that by supporting this machine, MorphOS directly targets millions of boards. Boards that are *already* produced. Of course this doesn't mean there will be a million of MorphOS users, but at least there can be a lot more MorphOS MacMini users than the 400+ people that bought and underpowered Flex board...

Now, which one is the best for an OS ? to target more users ? or to target hardware that's slow and unsuitable for desktop use, but still being produced ?

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It's (the test) a little bit better now. So there's not much difference between the two (platforms) actually.

@Daff
Could you make all files publicly available you used in that test ? (Or do a new round of all those tests with publicly available files ?) Could you also tell here your AmigaOS boot command line you used in that test ? Did you use a single same SFS partition with both OS'es or two different partitions ? On which OS you had formatted that partition ?

@all
Do anybody know do Pegasos installation of AmigaOS have normal kernel or debug kernel installed by default ?

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