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One thing though - not making it 100% open source is going to give the trolls an endless source of righteous indignation, and probably attract a few GPL militants as well. I hope it's worth it.

If it weren't that, it would be something else. The nature of trolling is to pick anything that isn't polished to a shine and bash it to death. People could start complaining for example that it doesn't use MUI. It doesn't use Reaction either (a point I frequently pointed out, you do not need either), but you know, the nature of trolling etc.

And it isn't GPL, it's triple-licensed actually (MPL/GPL/LPGL).

Note that a release of the source code is not ruled out. It just states in the bounty that it isn't a requirement. At this point, it's rather unlikely that this will happen too soon, but it isn't entirely excluded.

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Wy is the name not firefox ?

Is the reason a opensource project is put OS4 only, but the Licence aggreement of Firefox do not allow it ?

codelines or enhancements that the Frieden brothers commit in a opensource project, or keep it update for OS4 i dont know.Or does somebody know a Frieden port that use newest sources ?

what happen when OS4 get his firefox in future, how is that sync with the current firefox enhancements ?

If that go same way as the OS4 GCC compilers, that they are far behind current development, is bad for a browser.

I think here cant say, the newer firefox are not so good as the old firefix.

porting a thing is easy, here can do workarounds for OS Bugs, but keep it in sync is the most important part.

for example the GCC 68k are in sync with Main GCC.there can build in 25 minutes (when have faster PC work faster) a current (GCC4.5)

Also can hope that the friedens do not compile firefox on the lame OS4 Hardware, because firefix is very big and compile time is very very long if not ise a fast Multicore X86 CPU.

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we've added HW acceleration in Cairo in the meantime

That's pretty awesome news in itself. I guess that will massively speed-up certain apps (e.g. Gnash or whatever it is called).

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Wy is the name not firefox ?

Sigh, please stop generating conspiracy theories. Apart from being answered earlier in the thread, look at Iceweasel on Debian (Firefox by another name), etc.

Mozilla released the SOURCE CODE of Firefox, but they did *not* release the trademark/copyright/etc of the name/logo/etc, so that they can retain control over the Firefox brand.

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Wy is the name not firefox ?

Mozilla Foundation owns the trademark “Firefox” and claims the right to deny the use of the name and other trademarks to unofficial builds.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@rogue
>Note that a release of the source code is not ruled out. It just states in the >bounty that it isn't a requirement. At this point, it's rather unlikely that this >will happen too soon, but it isn't entirely excluded.

thanks for exmplain it, here is another reason that i never ever buy OS4.I dont like people that use 99.9999% of opensource Code make it closed source.I think this guys are not worth to support with money.

If you want do something good for your OS4, make a stable working OS4 that run on a Hardware maybe PPC or not, that is comparable to other Systems in price/power.

I also dont believe that you have the time to keep timberwolf upto date on future.

maybe you call me a troll, but i am sure, that this not help OS4 to grow more, and i am sure many think that it is really bad to force the user to buy a OS that run on lame Hardware.

And this i think is the reason, because after years of OS4 there are not more users or devs that support OS4.

Sure great announcement demotivate to develop for other AOS, but it do not help that they develop for your OS.

>>Could the Amizilla bounty be switched to this one?
>>It's a big bounty, and it was made for Firefox... so!


>It's what I was thinking, AmiZilla bounty should be
>splitted in case of porting on one or more Amiga
>flavour...

Only when the resulting Browser keeps portable by using AOS3 and MUI APIs. I'm shure that's the part rogues didn't like.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Bernd Roesch

What you are basically complaining about is that in all the years that the Firefox source code is available, nobody was able or willing to tackle the project, and now that someone actually is willing to do it, you complain that these people are not giving out the source code to compensate of the unwillingness or inability of the others.

We are not "taking advantage" of anybody. The code is out there, whether we port it or not. It is a considerable effort, and apparently it was too much effort for anybody to attempt it up to now. What we do or do not do with the source code THAT WE WROTE OURSELVES is up to us, in full compliance to the license the software was published under.

Now, we have stated clearly what the conditions are on the bounty page. If you think that is not worth supporting, so be it. I don't blame you, nor do I blame anybody that doesn't want to donate anything. HOWEVER, this is an individual decision for everybody involved; those that donate to support the project, and those that actually WORK for the goal to bring Firefox to their favorite OS. Whether YOU like it or not is irrelevant; IF at all, there are two parties that have any right to complain: Those that donate money to the project, and the Mozilla Foundation who is the owner of Firefox. NOBODY else has any rights to complain, least of all you, or anybody else of the talks-a-lot-and-does-nothing faction. Those that donate have already expressed their consent. The only other party would be the Mozilla Foundation, and if they told me that I must release the source code I will do that, but as long as THEY think this is fine, it IS fine.

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Poster: QuikSanz Date: 30-Sep-2009 6:41:28 Yay, Three cheers, er, beers to the Bothers. Nice work! And the very ambitious project is yet to come. Awsome. Chris

Oh man! i still owe them for 4.0 !


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Only when the resulting Browser keeps portable by using AOS3 and MUI APIs

As I already pointed out, you do not need MUI or Reaction. Widget builds on a plain vanilla Intuition window, as I already wrote here and several times earlier. It uses IDCMP messages and Cairo-based rendering directly to the Intuition window, there is no need for such concepts as "buttons" or "sliders".

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I'm shure that's the part rogues didn't like.

Alright, let me rephrase. I don't dislike anything, I just don't care. I care about AmigaOS 4.1 and beyond.

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@rogue
>We are not "taking advantage" of anybody. The code is out there, >whether we port it or not. It is a considerable effort, and apparently it was >too much effort for anybody to attempt it up to now. What we do or do not >do with the source code THAT WE WROTE OURSELVES is up to us, in full >compliance to the license the software was published under.

everybody can see on sputnik ibrowse what happen with a closed source browser.I think you can confirm that sputnik is less efford as firefox ?

sputnik is outdate, but user have pay lots money for it, no updates come, OS4 users dont need it.

Edit: troels send me a PN, so i make it more clear.

I mean not only the bounty for OS4 with "users pay lots of money" for it.
I mean overall, the guys that bounty for MOS Version, do they get money back or bugfixes and can this software stable use ?

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So please explain, what will you do, that firefox keep upto date with current browser engine development ?

So people can see, if its usefull to give you money for the closed source.Or do you really think the OS4 market is so big, that you continously get money ?

if so, please ask Jörg Strohmayr how many money his OWB work bring/Hour.

Can you please answer the Questen, if you compile firefox on a fast X86 multicore CPU or do want only work on your OS4 Hardware ?

If you use OS4 Hardware you need of course more time and this of course cost more money if you want make it for profit.

If you make it for fun, seem not possible, because then you can release the source too

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Regarding the Sputnik to OS4 bounty.

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Have OS4 users now get money back ?

I donated to that bounty, the bounty was canceled, and the money was refunded.

So the answer to your question is yes.

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If you make it for fun, seem not possible, because then you can release the source too

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So please explain, what will you do, that firefox keep upto date with current browser engine development ?

Man, read the bounty rules!
If they do not update Timberwolf to the last major version of Firefox within 12 months they will pass the source code to someone else.
And apart from this, Rouge said that it isn't ruled out that they will release the source anyhow.

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If, after 12 months after the release of a new major version of Firefox, the author(s) of Timberwolf have not released a new version or at least committed to a new version, the source code shall be given to an interested party that can continue development of Timberwolf.

Regarding the Sputnik bounty, use google?!
Sputnik bounty

As far as I can see it you're only posting to whine whine whine whine!

Bah!

@Rogue

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As I already pointed out, you do not need MUI or Reaction. Widget builds on a plain vanilla Intuition window, as I already wrote here and several times earlier. It uses IDCMP messages and Cairo-based rendering directly to the Intuition window, there is no need for such concepts as "buttons" or "sliders".

Interesting... does that mean that Firefox does its own widgets from scratch then? I didn't know that, I assumed it used whatever is on the native platform. But I guess for something that has been ported to so many different OS's, rolling your own controls would be easier than trying to fit your design to all those different widget sets and control schemes.

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we've added HW acceleration in Cairo in the meantime

That's a very good news too! Hope that it can improve the speed of Gnash:)

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Why do you people always complain ?
They are making os4 for os4.1 and not for aros/mos etc. If you want ports for that there is sourcecode avaible. I mean there is OWB for both mos and OS4.

They code for os4.1 and thats fact. I rather have firefox on os4 then not having it. Im happy someone is making it. And i happily give money to bounty then not. We can always get it back like for Sputnik. I gave my money to Joerg for OWB and Jahc for his software. So if its a bounty, shareware, commercial you still give money. Difference is with bounty you can support if you like or not.

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Interesting... does that mean that Firefox does its own widgets from scratch then?

Yes. It makes sense if you think about it, CSS asks for fully skinnable UI elements, so either the GUI toolkit supports this, or it renders its own widgets. You CAN override this and use your own widgets, but it wouldn't work well on AmigaOS since none of the GUI toolkits fulfills all the requirements.

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@Rogue
It's really great news to see that this port is coming up. It is great even for the image of the AmigaOS to the other system users. Thanks a lot for all your efforts. Keep up the good work.

@all
About the open source talking, I believe that a programmer can decide whatever he wants for his own written sources. If someone wants to keep it close, and sell it, he can do so. If he wants to open source it, he also can do so. I would prefer the second way. I prefer open sourced programs, and I prefer to donate them.

If someone stops supporting his programs, it would be better to open source them. I would like to see the Vapor's (Voyager, MetalWeb, AmiIRC etc.) programs open sourced, but they don't let them go, for their own reasons. That's a pity, but is their own choice. Live with that.

So, let programmers choose whatever they want and stop trolling. As soon as they support their software and user base it's fine with me. And I will surely donate.

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the unofficial version of firefox for 64bit cpu is named Shiretoko :) (not codename, but real name of browser) so, timberwolf OS4 for the same reason

ah so os 4.x IS going g5 and g6 !

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As I already pointed out, you do not need MUI or Reaction. Widget builds on a plain vanilla Intuition window, as I already wrote here and several times earlier. It uses IDCMP messages and Cairo-based rendering directly to the Intuition window, there is no need for such concepts as "buttons" or "sliders".

So your XUL/XULRunner is based on plain Intuition, it should be very fast :)
I believe to have XUL/XULRunner on OS4 is a very good thing, it should be used instead of MUI/Reaction and gives to the OS a good and modern crossplatform APIs for UIs...
How much will be integrated XUL/XULRunner with system? I've just readed you will use Amiga menus, other Amiga related things in mind? :)

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About the open source talking

And please dont forgot open source software does not equal free software.

Which reminds me:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10361785-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad