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Announcement   Announcement : Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress AmigaOS 4.1 port of Firefox
   posted by Cyborg on 29-Sep-2009 16:53:08 (62279 reads)
Project Timberwolf


Finally the port of one of the most wanted software for
AmigaOS 4.1 has been tackled! The well known AmigaOS developers
Hans-Joerg Frieden and Thomas Frieden work already since
quite some time on a fully AmigaOS native port of Mozillas'
Firefox webbrowser!


Because of the unrealistic terms and conditions of the AmiZilla
bounty, it was decided to start a new bounty only for AmigaOS 4.1
and beyond. Thus this bounty is in no way related to AmiZilla.

Timberwolf is the project name of the AmigaOS port of the Firefox web
browser (for legal reasons it cannot be called Firefox). Firefox is an
award-winning open source web browser and is the de-facto-standard
browser across a wide variety of operating system, taking second place
in popularity after Microsoft' s Internet Explorer. Its features include
tabbed browsing, support for HTML 5, ECMAScript 3.1, and CSS 3,
extensibility through addons, and a lot more. In short, Firefox is the
most complete open source browser to date.

Read all about it on AmigaBounty.net Project: TIMBERWOLF
    

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ShInKurO 
Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 11:12:59
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MHO taking advantage of the work of others thanks to open source but trying to circunvect the licenses finding legal holes to avoid sharing your work based on others is an act of hypocrisy


Ehmm... trolling?:)
You should write these thing on a OSX forum or on a Windows forum, I'm curious what they should reply :)
What do you thing all Amiga TCP/IP stacks are based on?

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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 11:23:58
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@all
1315.49 EUR :) Imho for 2 days that a good motivation to make it real :)

ps. Rogue, maybe you can upload some more screenshots ?:) As i read, at this moment the main window looks better than on bounty page ?

ps2. Why on screenshots (on bounty page), intuition windowses of os4 itself are the same "primitive" and "empty" as for latest public release of os4 ? I mean that i think before that intuition windowses already impoved by look in the developer versions ?

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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 11:30:03
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1315.49 EUR :) Imho for 2 days that a good motivation to make it real :)


That prove thats usefull (known and needed program allready started to port) Make the same for open office and same facts will arrive


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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 11:33:26
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@Cav
>Man, read the bounty rules!
>If they do not update Timberwolf to the last major version of Firefox >within 12 months they will pass the source code to someone else.

I do, i see the project text and read this sentence,

"""
This bounty shall not cover anything beyond the released version, ie. Version 3.6 or later versions of Firefox.
"""

this show me the noney they get immidiate and is only for this version.So whats wrong with the Question, what happen with later Versions.Is there a new payment ?

There is no quality standard set as well known enforcer hits or bugs should be fix as in amizilla bounty.

so all in all its no problem if TIMBERWOLF work very unstable and they need not give back the money.

Maybe in the bounty can add more precise.
if not all must hope the friedens do a good job.

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@Mrodfr
That make me think that Developers of _really_ need it programm, can make money on amiga developming still. Looks like just not so many good developers around who know what exactly ppls want :)


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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 11:38:58
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>You should write these thing on a OSX forum or on a Windows forum, I'm >curious what they should reply :)

Yes thats a good idea.We should make the project explain of the friedens public in other Forums, then you can see what they write...

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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 11:39:48
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@bernd_afa: Why don´t you read carefully, BEFORE you post your questions?

And: Rogue has nothing to explain to you. You said often enough, that you don´t like AmigaOS4 and you don´t want to use it. For us (the AmigaOS4.1-users and everyone, who is interested in AmigaOS4) this news is just great. So I don´t care, what you think about it.


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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 11:50:08
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this show me the noney they get immidiate and is only for this version.So whats wrong with the Question, what happen with later Versions.Is there a new payment ?


The bounty does not cover life long support/upgrade of Timberwolf, no.
After that it's up to their interest I guess, but if they loose interest and does not update it for 12 months, the sources will be passed on.

How much do people normaly donate?
My guess is a couple of euro, how much can you expect to get for this little contribution?

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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 11:53:41
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Hmm ... IMO it's not all that unlikely that this causes the happening of a Sputnik OWB like saga/story TNG. If others realize that porting is easier than they thought (no need for big things like GTK or X11 wrapper). So it wouldn't surprise me at all if all of the sudden a new port pops out from nowhere (likely for MOS) and ends up being done earlier, no matter if work on it starts much later.

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How much do people normaly donate?


All interested in the product should a least donate ¤20


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@all
1860.58 EUR Out of 1938.9 EUR originally submitted.
:)


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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 11:59:18
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I do not put money in bounties without a deadline. Look at the AmiZilla bounty. It should be refunded. It is taking too long for someone to take on the challenge.

If they port it I'll donate on their Paypal account.


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Don't forget that there have been numerous attempts to port Mozilla or Firefox in the past, and none of them got as far as the Friedens already have.


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How much do people normaly donate?
My guess is a couple of euro, how much can you expect to get for this little contribution?

You can see the donataions on the bounty page.


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@PulsatingQuasar
The same from me :) I am glad to see that so many ppls already donated, but, expirience it's stuff which we have: too many project without deadline was died. And even with deadline.

So, to say somethink more concrete and spend more money into, many of us in interest to see beta-binary , more screesnhoots or maybe video.


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@bernd_afa

Why don't you take your posts and go elsewhere. The way to port the application is of the freedom of the porter NOT loudmouths that haven't been able to takle the AmiZilla bounty themselves.

The AmiZilla bounty IS unrealistic since Firefox won't run useful on OS 3.9 machines anyway.

I'm against bounty programs that exist for years without any progress. The AmiZilla maintainer should write all contributors to ask them if they want to have their money back or put in another bounty.


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>@Bernd_afa_os Why do you people always complain ?
>They are making os4 for os4.1 and not for aros/mos etc.

please remember, Bernd belongs to the 'AOS3 on WinUAE group' he will always try to proof: '68k rules', 'PPC AmigaNG sucks', 'UAE-JIT is as fast as native', 'AOS3 on on a virtual 68k system is the future', ...

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So please explain, what will you do, that firefox keep upto date with current browser engine development ?


Did you ever hear about tools like CVS or SubVersion? If Thomas and Hans-Jörg keep their own modifications in separate files it is absolutely no problem to keep in sync with the main source of FireFox without creating conflicts. And I am very sure they use SubVersion and perfectly know how to handle it.


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What about i 100% sure, it's that all that CVS kill the app. And when ppls works hardly on some project and then, drop it out and make it opensource, then, almost in 99% project died.

So, the question from AFA more or less logical. Becouse when (if) Friedens will make 3.5 port of FF and then, drop it for anyone else, then, it will mean only that we have 3.5 only and nothink more will be (the sadly real truth).

Becouse we all understand, that for making good app, need time , money and so on. All these opensource thinks mean only "we do not want anymore works on it, let's someone else works on it = die of product". (i not mean these apps which was started as opensource, i mean these, in which ppls work hardly, and then after all make port as opensource).

What i really want to see, it's that FF as part of AmigaOS4.x , which will be always updated and tested deeply and hardly on bugs/hits and usability.

IF os4.x will have by default FF and OpenOffice (which no crashes, and have no crash OS itself in any way), then (maybe) some new blood will come (well, also MP are must :)) )

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