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So, the question from AFA more or less logical. Becouse when (if) Friedens will make 3.5 port of FF and then, drop it for anyone else, then, it will mean only that we have 3.5 only and nothink more will be (the sadly real truth).

As with all software you pay for the current version - but there's no gurantee that there will be a next version.... that's just how it works.

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The way I see it, having several browsers on AmigaOS4 makes sure that at least one browser is up to date and functioning perfectly.

If TimberWolf gets outdates, then OWB will simply take over, or NetSurf will.

Typical of how things are these days in Amigaland.
Everyone screams for something, we need x,y,z not matter what the cost.
We cant live without A,B or C.
The someone actually delivers and there is WWIII, flame style.

As far as I can see, the majority of times, there seems to be another agenda to the protests.
If it's a positive thing for AOS4.1 then the MorphOS crowd try to pick fault.
If its good for MorphOS, then the AOS4.1 crowd do their utmost to discredit it.
Thrown in the odd jibe from AROS/Haiku or whatever and the considerable grumblings from the lets all got to x86/Arm or whatever crowd, and every thread becomes a mass of petty grumbling, bitching and sniping about nothing.

In my opinion, we might as well give up on trying to live together on one site.
Might as well go our separate ways on different sites and leave it at that.
Anyone interested in more than one of the above could join the various sites.

Sorry for the off topic rant.

Back on topic, I think the Firefox port is a good thing as somebody said earlier for the good publicity it brings.
OWB is a good product but relatively unknown outside our community.
This might just help to attract a bit more interest outside of the usual suspects.
This would be advanced even further if Open Office would be ported also.

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Everyone screams for something, we need x,y,z not matter what the cost. We cant live without A,B or C.

Yes, and in this case (AmiZilla) this would be "An open source port of Firefox which works on 3.x AmigaOS, AmigaOS4.x, AROS and MorphOS. A version that anyone can improve and port to any platform (as it's open source)"

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The someone actually delivers and there is WWIII, flame style.

Firstly there hasn't been a delivery and secondly, it has been made clear that this project has a very different promised outcome (being partially closed source and OS4.1-only)

@Friedens

What would you see as the biggest advantage over OWB?

As I mentioned before, the biggest problems (as I see it) with OWB are (not) handling out of memory situations, general instability and memory usage. All of them not very easily fixable. There are some user interface related problems (although at least MorphOS version feels rather mature in that sense) but fixing them (the UI around the browser) is way easier than Firefox port.

For firefox, all I can think of is The Name (even if called by different name), and various addons (which can also be added to OWB, although perhaps more restricted than what Firefox can do)

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@Jupp3

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Yes, and in this case (AmiZilla) this would be "An open source port of Firefox which works on 3.x AmigaOS, AmigaOS4.x, AROS and MorphOS. A version that anyone can improve and port to any platform."

All right. Except for the fact that we're not talking about Amizilla.

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it has been made clear that this project has a very different promised outcome (being partially closed source and OS4.1-only)

Which seems to be a problem for some, i find this attitude very childish (note: this last sentence is not directed at you personally).

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@Frieden bros.

Thanks, guys. Wish I could have donated more. Tough times.
Keep up the good work!


@all

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I guess that this port builds on new/updated (and spurs development/updating of) OS components (f.ex. Cairo, as mentioned).

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@Jupp

There have been deliveries.
If you look at my post above, you will see that I used the letters instead of product names.
This was deliberate.
I also appologised for being off topic
I was talking in general about attitudes here on this site of late.

As for specifics.

Firefox is being ported for AOS4.1 by the Friedens in their spare time.
That is a good thing for owners of 4.1 as they gain something with no loss.
Ok it's not done yet but as they have ported in the past as well as other successes, most people here including myself are confident they will deliver.

Yes it would be better if this was ported to all Amiga flavours but that does not detract from this being a good thing for 4.1 users.

I do not have MorphOS and so don't have some of the extra features in OWB that MorphOS users have available to them.

I do not moan/gripe.whinge/demand that this version be ported to 4.1 and generally have a dig at every opportunity.

Not saying that you do either, but there are others here who are guilty.

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Yeah whats all this whining about? the Amizillia bounty is still there & nobody is forced to support this timberwolf bounty & it doesn't force the developers assigned to this project to do os3/mos/aros versions.

For me this is the best news this year since OS4.1 was ported to pegasos2

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The good think if FF will be fast and usable (and later Gnash will be over Hardware Acclerated Cairo), then it will be nice Browser which you can use without problems at home and not think about worms, viruses and exploits. There is not sense for making worms for amigaos at moment, so good for many of us. Also FF on os4.x also mean, that there is NPAPI support, and Gnash can be integrated into with no problems.

btw:
1879.2 EUR Out of 1958.9 EUR originally submitted.
almost 2k already. Good start imho :)

After some beta-binary or more screenshots/videos i think bounty will growing up a lot.

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Do you take isk (Eve-Online money), I could make couple of hundred millions come youre way :D

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@kas1e

It is true, but aniway adding NPAPI support on OWB isn't too complicated
I wait disperately for 3.16, Joerg where are you ?

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@Arko
>please remember, Bernd belongs to the 'AOS3 on WinUAE group' he will >always try to proof: '68k rules', 'PPC AmigaNG sucks', 'UAE-JIT is as fast as >native', 'AOS3 on on a virtual 68k system is the future', ...

thats totally wrong, i am no guy that want fight for a OS.so i release all of my work as opensource, and everybody can use it.

that i use 68k ist the reason because i understand 68k asm best and have easiest to use dev tools and with a fast X86 faster speed as aone HW overall.

But what i use doesnt matter, i only want say that in this project should some quality text add, so its more sure that firefox work stable and the Friedens must fix the Bugs that are confirm.

that it is not a lifetime update is clear, but its also clear that the friedens have done some ports for free example quake3(the latest release with bugfixes is not from friedens) descent2(incomplete no hardware 3d) some Hyperion Games for OS4(incomplete no Hardware 3d), Blender(announced but not finished).Jagged alliance2(1 release, work this perfektly, no bugfixes need) ?

other devs port for free, and keep their projects upto date.
but as we see if there come a ambiguotos project, in 4 months(then its 1 year announce)we see if the frieden closed source firefox work well.....

>Firefox is being ported for AOS4.1 by the Friedens in their spare time.

Some people think, all AOS4 stuff is beeing made by the Friedens in their spare time. ;)

I really doesn't know if FF is the software needed most on AOS4. Most AOS4 users where satisfied with OWB (at least they said so).
AOS3 is really missing a new browser, I have my doubts FF is possible on 68k, WinUAE doesn't need a FF port because users can install FF on the host system.

We will see how long it a stable version will take.

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@samo79
As far as i read on AfxGroup site in todo-list: I need an NG Browser that supports NPAPI to test the plugin. So, he wait for that.. Let's it be OWB or FF or Ibrowse. I am as end user will glad to have any browser just with HW accelerated flash , which fast and usable :)

Imho Joerg already into FF project ?:)

@all
OWB are very nice for me, and i use it all the time when i on os4.1 or morphos, but .. how many works need to spend, for make OWB to have all these thinks like many mangers, options and other. That a huge job. As i understand porting of FF make port not that rendering engine (like OWB was for first), but all these addons, plugins and other crap which we use all the time on win32 :)

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@Rogue:

Doesn't the amount increase on the bounty since the announcement allows for a few set of new screenshots?

Impressive job indeed.

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OWB-OS4 apart some very little problems on certain site (mostly online email service or similar) it's perfect to show webpages, my unique problem is the UI, is unusable as is and this is not completely related to Reaction, infact NetSurf 3.0 Dev is mutch better speaking about the GUI, what we need is that, nothing more ...

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@Rogue

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What you are worried about is that there won't be any other port from us, but plainly, that is not the intention. The intention is to have Firefox on AmigaOS 4.1 and beyond; we'll release out source code if we don't continue with the project ourselves anymore, this ensures that future updates will be possible for AmigaOS users.

IIRC in latest Amizilla threads there were some talks about giving a quarter of the bounty for each port to an amigoid system (AROS/MOS/OS4/OS3). If you want the part of the Amizilla bounty that would be for an AmigaOS4 port you would need to provide the full sources, otherwise the Amizilla os4-port bounty wouldn't be complete. It's just 2500$ but it would be a good addition to this new bounty.

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Having said this, I don't see Firefox running on the classic, and as a matter of fact AmigaOS 4.1 or later is a requirement anyway. The classic will not have enough hardware or CPU power to run the thing decently.

Even though real 060 classics don't have enough power for Mozilla, x86 JIT has more than enough power on emulated ones (Amithlon/UAE)

BTW I don't care much about how the browser is named (Firefox, HotBunny, IceKoala, GreenDog...)

Hats off for taking the bull by the horns and good luck with the port. I hope that the code additions are done in a modular way so main changes are added to main Mozilla tree.

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@samo79
After you make that game, i am sure that you decent programmer (i am not :)) ), so .. what about add NAPAPI support for owb ?:)

ps. i just mean that for AfxGroup will be easy to have somethink which already have NPAPI. But in reality we have nothink at moment, so, that only words as usuall :)

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so i release all of my work as opensource, and everybody can use it.

Where is the source code for AfA 4.4 and 4.5? You released the binaries here, but the source is missing. Where is your "opensource"?

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