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Announcement   Announcement : Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress AmigaOS 4.1 port of Firefox
   posted by Cyborg on 29-Sep-2009 15:53:08 (62094 reads)
Project Timberwolf


Finally the port of one of the most wanted software for
AmigaOS 4.1 has been tackled! The well known AmigaOS developers
Hans-Joerg Frieden and Thomas Frieden work already since
quite some time on a fully AmigaOS native port of Mozillas'
Firefox webbrowser!


Because of the unrealistic terms and conditions of the AmiZilla
bounty, it was decided to start a new bounty only for AmigaOS 4.1
and beyond. Thus this bounty is in no way related to AmiZilla.

Timberwolf is the project name of the AmigaOS port of the Firefox web
browser (for legal reasons it cannot be called Firefox). Firefox is an
award-winning open source web browser and is the de-facto-standard
browser across a wide variety of operating system, taking second place
in popularity after Microsoft' s Internet Explorer. Its features include
tabbed browsing, support for HTML 5, ECMAScript 3.1, and CSS 3,
extensibility through addons, and a lot more. In short, Firefox is the
most complete open source browser to date.

Read all about it on AmigaBounty.net Project: TIMBERWOLF
    

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Rogue 
Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 15:59:35
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As they are based on same OS (just like OS4) this shouldn't be that big effort. And together they are worth 7.5k


The port makes use of AmigaOS 4.1 specific features that are not in OS 3, or are differently implemented. So really, not interested.


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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 16:02:16
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@Bernd,

for your information, loading cnn with firefox (on a more powerful PC) takes 8s to show text too, on my inet link.

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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 16:15:32
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@ALL

i dont have OS4 + sam to run TIMBERWOLF (AmiFFox) (firefox)(AmiFirefox) and who cares if the name is firefox or else & i am one of the person who wish to see OS4 on x86 hw & firefox is what i use every day/time & love to use the firefox on any amiga but not 667mhz sam yes i will even buy a ppc hw (which i still think its dead market with no future) just to use TIMBERWOLF BUT NOT 667mhz SAM.

Please Port TIMBERWOLF to (Aros/68k WinUAE) to get most out of the speed else i will stick to Win7 & run firefox.

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DO NOT READ MAY HARM YOUR BRAIN IF YOU HAVE SAM BOARD


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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 16:23:59
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AOS3 is really missing a new browser


So is Windows 3.1.


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I have my doubts FF is possible on 68k, WinUAE doesn't need a FF port because users can install FF on the host system.


Exactly.

Last edited by BillE on 30-Sep-2009 at 04:43 PM.

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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 16:28:57
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@Arko
>AROS ? doesn't force anyone and the hardware for AROS seems OK

but seem more users/devs see future in OS4 and slow and expensive Hardware pay more money for it instead for AROS.

AROS have no program announce as real3d and some more, no ambigoutos project and nobody port firefox.

thats bad on paper.but on real, AROS and OS4 is same.No ambigoutos project see, no real 3d and no full stable working firefox.

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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 16:33:25
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I just hope it will become a lot more Amiga-like than OWB and have lots of settings like IBrowse. OWB is a necessity at these times but it does lack many useful features which make IBrowse such a excellent app.


I second that.

IB despite its incompatibilities is still my main browser.

I do hope that TimberWolf can be a good replacement. Lets face it who knows more about Amiga OS than the Friedens, so it should be good.



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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 16:52:46
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So what about those who bought OS4 for a Classic system will they ever get 4.1 to be able to run this ?


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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 16:53:09
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The AmiZilla Classic Thong

Sorry off topic but I've missed that thing earlier and it's one of the best things I've seen this year so far.


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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 17:13:57
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>I am not so sure. Why would they run WinUAE in the first place?

I always thought they did it for the games ...


Gamers dont buy emulators but Amiga Forever is relatively succesful (for an Amiga product). And while I dont find old Amigas interesting anymore (I sold my A1200 seven years ago) many Amiga users fancy running Firefox on their Amiga 4000. It wont run at decent speed but then what would...


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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 17:14:40
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@bernd

cnn.com take 14 secs on OWB last version and AOS4.1, for your information.

cnn.com take 40 sec with netsurf 3.0 with nothing on cache and 12.1sec the second time (with the time conunter on the lower left part).

Last edited by Mrodfr on 30-Sep-2009 at 05:17 PM.


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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 17:16:50
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@diegocr

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I still wonder why a part of the Amizilla bounty isn't transfered to this bounty...


Because all sources should be made available so other versions (OS3/MOS/AROS) can share some code. If the code is really "OS4-only" I don't see the problem in publishing it.

Quote:
I can't remember it, but the Amizilla bounty wasn't originally intended to port Firefox to *AmigaOS*,


yes, but that means AmigaOS *3.x*. OS4, MOS and AROS were added later. If only one binary was available I would prefer it to be 68k since it could run on most of the platforms.

Quote:
Or maybe this Netscape executive should be contacted... i'm quite sure if that person does not want to kill us he will not have problem on his money transfered.. imho.


I doubt he wants his money transfered to a closed source project. Amizilla intended to share code between the 4 platforms, not to have one port that fagocited the money using non publicly available code.

If the situation was opposite and Firefox was being ported to AROS I doubt people would agree on giving the Amizilla bounty to just AROS and not take advantage of the code.

They can earn 2500$ per platform. It seems that even if they published all the code it would need to be adapted to use features of OS3, MorphOS, AROS... so it wouldn't be a problem of simply recompiling. If it's sooo easy there's nothing stopping them in compiling the rest of versions.

They could earn 2500$ from the OS4 part of Amizilla if they published *all* the sources.


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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 17:35:34
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This bounty is increasing quite fast. Maybe it will grow bigger than the old Mozilla bounty. (2100 EUR and growing...)

Also I see jealousy raising its head.

Last edited by Tomppeli on 30-Sep-2009 at 05:36 PM.


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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 17:44:45
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I think they are porting OS 4 to ARM. Firefox will go well with it.

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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 17:50:54
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@tomazkid

The older FF is probably faster yes, the newer versions are more bloated. But once FF is loaded, I don't "feel" it to be sluggish on Windows nor on any of the Linux boxes I run it on. Scrolling, opening a new tab and such feels smooth, but the "Options..." window feels a bit sluggish though.

@Fab

cnn.com took 1-2 sec here on my Vista box with Dual Core, 8 mbit/s internet.
amigaworld.net took less than 1 sec.

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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 17:56:22
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@Crumb

I mean the money itself transfered, *not* a mix of both bounties.. in such way the brothers do not need to apply to the Amizilla rules..(they can do with his own code whatever he want..)

What if people who donated to Amizilla want his money back/transfered to this bounty? this is just what i say, i guess everybody who donated to Amizilla to get Firefox on os4 will like his money transfered (or am i wrong?), mainly because Amizilla is up for quite many years already and a real port from that side seems not feasible nowadays...imo

Regarding if Amizilla was originally for OS3 only, was "os3" really specified at time of creation? :) OS4 is still the official AmigaOS and therefore i still think the money from the Netscape executive must be transfered to this bounty.

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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 18:13:02
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@diegocr

Amen !

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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 18:20:03
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@diegocr

Quote:

Regarding if Amizilla was originally for OS3 only, was "os3" really specified at time of creation? :) OS4 is still the official AmigaOS and therefore i still think the money from the Netscape executive must be transfered to this bounty.


Are you the Netscape executive?


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Re: Project: TIMBERWOLF - Bounty for already in progress Ami
Posted on 30-Sep-2009 18:21:02
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@bernd_afa

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Also most MOS OS4 User have a PC.


I have AmigaOS4.1 and AmigaONE, i have a PC but I don't run WinUAE on it, if I need a browser on the PC i use Opera or Internet explorer or Netscape native, I do NOT wasted CPU cycles on emulation.

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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 18:24:04
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@Rogue

I think your are the only ones that can do it,

Will TIMBERWOLF include the e-mail client part?

good luck in your quest for success.


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Posted on 30-Sep-2009 18:25:01
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Great news!

It is difficult to say I know, but how much does 2000 euro cover development costs?

I guess that is almost one guys (junior) monthly salary, so lets say that is 3 weeks paid worth of full time development.

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