@Seiya

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Driver Radeon HD for now is only 2D and it's not finished.

Well, *every* on going project is not finished, nothing strange I guess ;)

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@arko

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@ikir Quote: We have OWB which is based on Webkit... better than gecko. Why just don't write a gui, download manager and all the rest for OWB? Because the code is not 'the real Firefox' maybe they did the Firefox port for a community that likes big names and myth. I think AROS and MOS should try to swap applications and code ....

I find Firefox 3.5 on Windows to have less problems with some webpages than OWB on OS4, might be due to OWB's implementation of WebKit. And the fact that Firefox has many useful plug-ins is a big plus, too.

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@wawa

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@nuts about amiga: despite your nick you seem to be completely uninformed about what an original amiga is capable of (with certain extentions, i must admit).

And that’s my point, I don't expect every classic user to have spent 4000 Euro on upgrades for their A1200 or A4000 systems?

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Perhaps you never owned one.

I never did, but I know what a 32 bit CPU can do and can’t do, and know from reading hardware spessifiacton that most affordable Amiga hardware is not accurate mind blowing.

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I run 1680x1050 workbench in32 bit and can practically open as many instances of netsurf of whatever as i want. the admitably limited 16mb ram on my voodoo3 doesn’t actually seem to put any limits to that.

1680x1050x32 = 6.5mb as a minimum; now add a backdrop and you’re up to 13mb soon. so the only way deal whit this to use system memory, moving the graphics over a slow PCI or Zorro bus, whit out DMA my I add.

What do you think will happen when Requirement of hardware accelerated Caro is going to be requirement, it will be where slow, you will not be able to play flash or youtube videos, or any other plug out there, what is the point?

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using os4 and owb on the same machine im quite soon out of system ram. That is rather sore truth.

And this exactly my point, there are so many ways physically the classic systems are obsolete, what people are really asking for is support for WinUAE nothing else,

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But nevertheless i wish luck with the above project

No one has been able to produce a working netscape / firefox port, most somewhat 15 years seines the first group tried and failed to port firefox / netscape.

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even though also os4 users doesn’t seem to be the subject of concern anymore.

Your hardware is out of date; it can handle it anymore, too much graphics in true colors (32bit), too slow bus speed, CPU speed is to slow and there no hardware acceleration to speak of.

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@ DiscreetFX


Sorry, but instead of trying to make a joke out of this very promising effort of finally getting Firefox on AmigaOS with your nonsense comments you should better listen to what people are actually saying.

I'm seeing more and more people who donated to AmiZilla for an OS4 port want to get their money transferred to Timberwolf.. or at least really ponder about that idea.

After what, 7 years or so of absolutely no tangible results from AmiZilla you should show the courage to a) admit that the Frieden brothers port is far more advanced than whatever came out from AmiZilla and b) at least officially offer the AmiZilla donators to refund their money or directly transfer it to the ab.net bounty.

Even if you aren't capable of a), you really should do b) as this would at least show your respect for the trust people showed you by leaving their money in AmiZilla for such a long time without any results.


I'm personally very glad that I never donated for AmiZilla (exactly because its unrealistic terms and conditions) as I was able to simply donate for Timberwolf without having to go to the hassle of claiming my AmiZilla money back. What I would have done in the second TImberwolf was announced.

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@itix
>(I sold my A1200 seven years ago) many Amiga users fancy running >Firefox on their Amiga 4000. It wont run at decent speed but then what >would...

when i use firefox.

go to page
www.cnn.com
wait until load.
go to page
www.amigaworld.net

then press the back Button on firefox.
cnn Page is show in below 1 sec.And when a page is load in 4 sec in firefox this mean firefox wait 3 sec for inet and do nothing.

OWB on aros need always 7 sec.

a classic is 15* slower than my winuae system.so the classic on firefox can show in 15 sec the page when press back.

@mrodfr
>cnn.com take 14 secs on OWB last version and AOS4.1, for your >information.

>cnn.com take 40 sec with netsurf 3.0 with nothing on cache and 12.1sec >the second time (with the time conunter on the lower left part).

whats the time with OWB 68k on your classic ?1. and second load ?

On my system netsurf do this in 5-6 sec.

when press back button need always 5-6 sec.netsurf team work on a cache.

but when on OS4 on second access it work faster, maybe there are wrong settings in OS3 files.seem i should take a look what settings OS4 version use.i see netsurf have a cache option, that is set to 2 MB.but when increase, i also notice not faster speed.

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I am with Cyborg. Logical and fair idea. Imho Amizilla bount owners (DiscretFX ?) must to give ppls a choice: everyone who donated , can in say 2 weeks retransfer their money to os4 port.

Why i say that: becouse i see nothink from in the years, but i see too much already from Hyperion. And Hyperion the only one company who make somethink real.

So bounty transfers are must and fair.

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@nutsbaout amiga: where do you get these figures of 4000eur upgrade costs? well i believe my a4k as a whole didnt in fact cost more over the years than a complete sam box. even with csppc (~500), which i actually do not need much (could have sticked to mk1),deneb (~140) and mediator di (230)which are the only costly components in there. sure it is much too much anyway.

as for the rest zorro is sure a lame interface and a classic is overall slower than ppc, sure, none argues on that;)

@Cyborg

What if Amizilla project delivers a port before Frieden bros?

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@bernd

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whats the time with OWB 68k on your classic ?1. and second load ?

With OWB 68k, I will not test that because I'm sure lots of minuts. Don't know with netsurf 68k.

BTW, if you want speed tests with OWB and netsurf, send me an email with exactly want you need for tests.

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@ itix

You must be kidding, right? Why the hell should now all of a sudden come something out of AmiZilla which didn't produce anything in 7 years?

Anyway, no semi-sane person would now start yet another FF port to OS4 (or put serious effort in it) when there is already one well on its way (the Frieden brothers one) and all I was saying was that the AmiZilla donators should get a choice.

(Note: I'm only talking about the OS4 port and part of AmiZilla. Not the others!)

The ones who only donated for the OS4 part of AmiZilla may want to transfer the money to Timberwolf.

The others who donated for OS4, MOS, AROS or for everything may want to leave their money in AmiZilla just in case there will magically appear something.

Again: Give the people a choice to move their money. If you want to hold back the people from moving their money, show them that some actual progress was made. Really, at the moment there's absolutely no good reason for AmiZilla to keep the money of OS4 donators... and probably also not of any other donators.

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@Rogue

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UAE users can just launch Firefox on Windows or Linux. I don't have a clue as to how many people actually use UAE for anything other than playing ADF'ed games.

I would guess it would be very, very few.

You are making the right decision to focus on 4.1 as I would rather have a native, fast, dedicated 4.1 version.

I really think the commercial value of ANY of the Amiga-like platforms is virtually dead anyway with 4.1 being the only one with any real potential commercial future.

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@Cyborg

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Again: Give the people a choice to move their money. If you want to hold back the people from moving their money, show them that some actual progress was made. Really, at the moment there's absolutely no good reason for AmiZilla to keep the money of OS4 donators... and probably also not of any other donators.

100% agree with this. After 7 years it pretty much indicates that it isn't going to happen for Amizilla.

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I think firefox is good to lure more users to platform, etc...

But will it be useable?

It is very very slow, even on the fastest x86 HW, so could it fly on 667Mhz?
I doubt.

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100% agree with this. After 7 years it pretty much indicates that it isn't going to happen for Amizilla.

I agree with you - I've tried to join the yahoo groups for Amizilla for more than a year - but no one seems to approve new members of the group.

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I don't know about 667Mhz PPC, but I have two PCs a 2.2Ghz Athlon XP (WinXP 1GB ram) and a 2.13Ghz Dual Core (e6400+Vista and 2GB Ram) and FF is Fast on the first and mind blowing on the second.
Only a very old (or severely srewed up ) PC would run slow (that has been my experience so far at least).

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@mrodfr
>With OWB 68k, I will not test that because I'm sure lots of minuts. Don't know with netsurf >68k.

oh sorry, i mean netsurf 68k.

i am only intreset about the the www.cnn.com values of netsurf 68k

I see also chrome is faster as firefox, chrome for Linux is very young, but use gtk+ for GUI.so another reason for the GTK to MUI wrapper and use of a browser on amiga.because MUI have nicer look and better configurable than gtk.

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/hands-on-google-chromium-browser-alpha-for-linux.ars

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@Bernd

Then press the back Button on firefox.cnn Page is show in below 1 sec.And when a page is load in 4 sec in firefox this mean firefox wait 3 sec for inet and do nothing.OWB on aros need always 7 sec.a classic is 15* slower than my winuae system.so the classic on firefox can show in 15 sec the page when press back.@mrodfr>cnn.com take 14 secs on OWB last version and AOS4.1, for your >information.>cnn.com take 40 sec with netsurf 3.0 with nothing on cache and 12.1sec >the second time (with the time conunter on the lower left part).whats the time with OWB 68k on your classic ?1. and second load ?On my system netsurf do this in 5-6 sec.when press back button need always 5-6 sec.netsurf team work on a cache.but when on OS4 on second access it work faster, maybe there are wrong settings in OS3 files.seem i should take a look what settings OS4 version use.i see netsurf have a cache option, that is set to 2 MB.but when increase, i also notice not faster speed.

What do you want to tell us ?

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@Arko
>What di you want to tell us ?

Short answer, if somebody port a firefox, it is not automatic better and faster as existing Amiga browser.
firefox is bigger need longer to compile, so development time es slower, more bugs can happen....

Also firefox 3.5 too have some redraw bugs, but if the bounty exclude to use a new firefox release, what happen with that ?

@Itix
>What if Amizilla project delivers a port before Frieden bros?

maybe its a trick of the friedens, they arent able to get firefox well running in the last years, (that it start and show the windows was in the past too)then come OWB.now firefox is grow much more, need longer to compile, and bugfix.

and that the bounty is out, maybe motivate the MOS side , i btw think you and fab are much faster able to get a firefox running than the friedens.

and when you do that and release it, then maybe the friedens catch the code and then they fullfill the bounty.

i also like to know, if the announced USB2.0 for OS4, is from the poseidon AROS source.

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how much is stupid from 1 to 10 to do this comparision from OWB or Firefox on different platforms??

When we will have Firefox on OS4 OWB will be history because FF is now one of the most used browser in the world (and all MODERN platforms have it).
You can joke with your ANCIENT OS like OS3, or WinUAE for all your life but the world move on..
And now it is time to move from ANCIENT THINGS...

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