@Mrodfr

I'm sorry, I didn't understand ANYTHING you just wrote. You're saying you want a common MUI across all platforms? A bit off-topic, isn't it?

Anyway, given that there now is a separate bounty, they are free to do as they want. Beggars cannot be choosers (or actually, they can, they're just not very good at it ), so we'll have to take whatever they make.

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Hello,

Just try to explain that there are allready lots of examples about program that could logically not give additionnal big work for a version for all platforms (like MUI4,......).

You request for FF, I request for old examples like MUI4 for AOS4 and AOS3 (an example).

IMHO, FF need special libs and features to be easily ported for all platform because It's a BIG programs with dependencies. I'm allright BTW to see additionnal AROS or MORPHOS to make their own FF version.

It's not true for MUI4, ixemul and same for reaction for morphOS. All C programmers should make their programs for all platform, just program with big dependancies can't be made for all platforms easily.

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some ideas...

Perhaps friedens would be interested in supporting MOS with firefox, if AOS4 gets MUI4 and Ambient??

It would not harm anyone if the developers could work together, like users do.

(btw. what's the status of Dopus5 for AOS4? AOS4 needs a workbench replacement!)

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@DAX Don't worry to much about the negative views of some people. Not everyone has the luxury of going to Amiga shows in person, and seeing things working with their own eyes. It's different if you only hear about things and see screenshots, and spend a lot of time waiting for stuff to be released. Plus, some people find a negative angle on everything. You picked a good time to get back into the Amiga scene. Hans p.s. thanks for the donation to the RadeonHD driver project. Yes, there's a lot of work to do, but it is happening.

I think so too!
While I empathize with the fellow amigans here that endured very dark times and stayed alive (in the community I mean ^__^) thanks to the great efforts spent on Aros or Morph, I must admit that (as an "outsider") if I was googling around for "amiga" (as I did several weeks ago stumbling upon ArsTechnica review) and only found news of differently named side-projects I would have directed my browser elsewhere (not for luck of merits on Morph or Aros part, but for luck of "mental association" with those names) .
With these new and exiting developments, I foresee a near future where a guy like me can handle the majority of tasks with a new modern Amiga, and will do my best to bring back all the ex amigan friends I have (I already started brainwashing them and since they all use Firefox this news is helping a lot )

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@olegil

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I actually think Thomas and Hans-Jörg are a bit foolish if they only go for the OS4 bounty and not the whole whole Amizilla bounty as well. We're talking a LOT of money to make it work across those three extra platforms here.

Except the hardware-accelerated cairo bit (which can and should easily be replaced by image surface as fallback for non 3d-equipped machines for instance), there's not much that would really need specific OS4 code, as far as I can see.

The NSPR layer is not rocket science at all. They might choose to use OS4 shared objects stuff for the dynamic linking module, but that's about it (and it's not like shared objects is something that only OS4 can do either).

The widget layer basically renders everything to a raw intuition window (using potentially hw-accelerated cairo or image surface) and handles events, so nothing really OS4 specific here.

Of course I might have missed something regarding the modules to port, but this is what i can say after reading briefly Firefox sources. But in any case, it's basically the same (easy) work that was done for OWB on OS4, AROS and MorphOS, and excluding GUI (which in Firefox case is irrelevant since it's rendered by XUL), all these parts are quite portable across each amiga-like OS.

The rest is just (bad) politics. Don't be surprised if you see other cloned Firefox efforts.

@Fab

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Don't be surprised if you see other cloned Firefox efforts.

From you? =)

@DiscreetFX:
I would like to suggest the terms and conditions of the AmiZilla bounty as follows:

1) The first team, that ports Firefox to one of the target systems gets 40%, since this is by far the most work.
2) The team should be able get another 25% for releasing *all* sources.
(This would give the Friedens the opportunity to get more money and the community to eventually profit from their specific work for Timberwolf).
3) The team, that makes a 68k-port possible within one year should get the rest, because this should work on all 68k-compatible platforms. Otherwise this money should also be paid to the first porter - this is to stimulate the efforts for porting to 68k.
(I could imagine that someone already thought on backporting Cairo to some older AmigaOS.)

Anyway there should also be an option for the donators to be able to transfer their donations to the Timberwolf bounty.

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This will be useful. There's stuff that OWB can't do, which FF can. Every other system has FF. OS4, with FF accomplished, will be comparable with everything else.

I take it it could also be done on Morph OS. How about AROS and natami os3? If something were written for firstly for os3, it could then work on all everything else, apart from AROS, where UAE doesn't connect to internet.

@smf

No idea. WebKit is nice (nicer than gecko according to some) and I'm having fun building the GUI around it. But be sure I'm not naive enough to think I can alone implement all the "GUI" features from browsers like Safari or Firefox. But at least, I try to have something reasonably functional. :)

But I wouldn't mind if someone else picked that Firefox port. Having two browsers is better than having one. The drawback being that we have few developers, so it's a shame to waste resources on similar projects.

@KimmoK
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Perhaps friedens would be interested in supporting MOS with firefox, if AOS4 gets MUI4 and Ambient??

Ambient was released under GPL long ago, so feel free to port it, no need for permission or anything

Although there might be other issues, like dependencies on MorphOS or MUI4 (instead of MUI3)

And if OS4 version of OWB has some issues with its user interface, why not port MorphOS version which was done by Fab?

Gecko = Bloatware. The only way to fix Firefox is to replace Gecko with Webkit....

@_PAB_

Thanx for the nice suggestions, they will be discussed with former Netscape founder.

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>It's not true at all, on OS4.x many API basis are new to give 3th part >programmer same things you have described for win 95. Please read >AllocSysObject(), AllocDOSObject(), AllocVecTagList() autodoc for >example...

I write near nothing(mean 0.1% or so Hypeiron have done), and when you look at source of this funcs,

http://aminet.net/package/dev/c/AllocSysObject

thats really few, in compare to make whole intuition graphics lib, iconlib all full memoryprotect save.

@mrodfr
>programmers on a platform should make port for all OSES untill the >program not become too specific (surely the case for Thunderwolf and >not for MUI IMHO)

When a program on OS4 need no Reaction, then it is really easy to get it working on other Systems too.

OS4 have not much new functions(most news is done in Reaction) and if so, they can simply written or exist in the OS4emu.See the allocsysobject code itix release, this help to get OS4 programs easy on other systems to work.

timberwolf use no Reaction and so it should easy work on other AOS systems too

@fab
>So, in fact, porting firefox is less work than porting OWB. :)

In theory maybe, but there can be happen bugs in the OS, Compiler, to old OS4 libs(newlib Cairo), that make strange things.

Also OS4 have a Cairo slowdown problem.

http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-dev-netsurf-browser.org/2009-August/001454.html

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The Cairo clipping is so ridiculously slow on OS4 that I'm not able to
fully Cairo-ise it unfortunately,......
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All need fix

I notice the GCC 4.2 compilers have more bugs than 4.3 and 4.4 mostly today used in projects.Or what compiler do firefox use ?

In theory Blender should be more easy to port as Firefox right ?

But the friedens announce Blender Port big, post several screenshots, but they manage it never get working for a release, and the beta that show after over 2 years now is not from the friedens.

there are programmers, that get only code work, they type themselve, but need very long to find Bugs, or compiler errors in code they not write, make maybe more easy a GUI in a smaller code in OWB, than get a firefox working

But we all see what happen with the frieden timberwolf, if they want compile all on their slow aone, then of course all take longer.

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@DiscreetFX

1. The first team porting Firefox to 68k AOS3 APIs (with or without MUI3) should get 40% when they publish the sourcecode.
2a. 20% for an AOS4 port based on (1)
2b. 20% for a MOS port based on (1)
2c. 20% for an AROS port based on (1)

So the Fridens could get 60 percent of the money when bay just suporting all AmigaOSes

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And there should be a plan B ( deadline ) if this takes forever again.

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@DiscreetFX

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they will be discussed with former Netscape founder.

So it's: Marc Andreessen or Jim Clark?

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@Bernd_afa

The subject of this thread is not your vision of OS4 shortcomings, please find another thread to discuss this.

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Just to clarify we did not mean the AmiZilla Booty would be transferred to TIMBERWOLF. That would not be fair to the people that put money into it for MorphOS, AROS and Amiga virtual machine (Amiga Forever) ports

Of course!

From page 9 of this thread i'm suggesting the money from the Netscape (ex-)Executive should be transfered to this new bounty, mainly because that's the higher amount donated (~$4000), since iirc he donated to see Firefox on AmigaOS(dot).

Hence, what i did understood from your words is that when this person try TimberWolf on his microa1 he will request to transfer his donation from Amizilla to the Friedens, what should give them a great extra motivation. (and with "extra motivation" i really mean they will provide a full port, with all of the addons working, and not only a port which just handles websites )