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I can't speak for him, he will have to decide for himself. I will keep you posted.

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I believe that any bad thing in OS4.1 will eventually be addressd in subsequent releases, it is an OS in active development and comparing it to a dead end is pointless no matter how still similar they might be (as they won't be forever)
Besides, even if porting it to AOS68K its the easiest thing in the world, you should appreciate that the Friedens couldn't care less about it and not only they are not gonna do it, they won't help either (and as an outsider that hopes for a modern Amiga OS I second the fact that OS3 should be abandoned forever)
Judging from all the people that want their bounties moved from Amizilla to this project + the continuous growth of the donations (¤2577 as we speak) it would seem that there is not much people here interested either so why the Don Quixote crusade

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But the friedens announce Blender Port big, post several screenshots, but they manage it never get working for a release, and the beta that show after over 2 years now is not from the friedens.

I take exception to my blender port being used to "bash" the Friedens when without their help and the help others involved in MiniGL , Python, etc I wouldn't have been unable to finish it!

But then you delight in out of context quotes, and distorted interpretations...

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Hmm I wonder if the spell checker will be included in TimberWolf
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I take exception to my blender port being used to "bash" the Friedens when without their help and the help others involved in MiniGL , Python, etc I would have been unable to finish it! But then you delight in out of context quotes, and distorted interpretations...

Very true. It's thanks to the Friedens work on porting Blender that the missing functionality that is required by blender was added to MiniGL. Otherwise we wouldn't have known which new features were/weren't necessary.

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My understanding is that they [the Friedens] simply are not interested in the other platforms, and want to spend any effort on the other platforms.

This is my understanding also, and I think their choice is pretty logical. The Friedens are OS4 developers, they've spent years nursing and raising it, and also defending it against numerous ignorants and nay-sayers. Wouldn't it be naive to expect _them_ to support anything else than OS4?

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I'm glad that they're not going to drop down to the lowest common feature set for all of these OSes, and making the OS 4.x version take advantage of everything that OS 4.1 has to offer.

Degrading software to the lowest common denominator means either not fully using the OS's potential (be it OS4, MOS, or AROS), or spending weeks writing and testing workaround code. Every developer can freely choose whether they want to do that or not - and it is noone's right to criticize their choice.

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Anyone know if Timberwolf will be compatible with the plethora of FireFox addons?

I know it was a sigh of relief moving from WinBlowz to Ubuntu Linux and have access to all the wonderful FireFox plugins like DownLoadThemAll FireFTP and also the Throttling apps! .
I have to throttle my browsing due to Leased Line connections at work.

BTW this is probably the best news I have heard for AOS 4 since it's creation. It really is a critical app these days. Well done to the Friedens, very impressive work.

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This is my understanding also, and I think their choice is pretty logical. The Friedens are OS4 developers, they've spent years nursing and raising it, and also defending it against numerous ignorants and nay-sayers. Wouldn't it be naive to expect _them_ to support anything else than OS4?

Here you are absolutely right. They seem to limit the boundaries of the Amiga platform to their OS only, and that's perfectly natural since they spent part of their life developing it. I can't see nothing wrong here.

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Degrading software to the lowest common denominator means either not fully using the OS's potential (be it OS4, MOS, or AROS), or spending weeks writing and testing workaround code.

Here, however, I can agree only in part. While I don't expect they should in any way help MorphOS (or AROS) people take some advantage from their code, extending to some degree the user base to other AmigaOS flavours would help them getting feedback and - if they plan to release it as shareware or commercial product - also to raise incomes. This, not forgetting that also money from other people might flow in their bounty pocket as well.

On the other hand, don't forget that Firefox is protected under the terms of the MPL license, which is very similar to the AROS one, so they are are expected (and they already confirmed) to release at least the modified Firefox code, which is already a good starting point for anyone interested in porting it to MOS/AROS. After all, if they are taking this task as a 'spare time' project, I can't see why others shouldn't do that as well on their own.

Last but not least, I don't like people whining on everything and doing nothing. Is there any MOS/AROS coder interested in the Friedens' work? Well, just contact them, ask them politely to join efforts and MAYBE (I say MAYBE) some degree of collaboration could be started. But pretending things is not the best way, IMHO, to ask people for something.

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>Last but not least, I don't like people whining on everything and doing nothing. Is >there any MOS/AROS coder interested in the Friedens' work? Well, just contact >them, ask them politely to join efforts and MAYBE (I say MAYBE) some degree of >collaboration could be started. But pretending things is not the best way, IMHO, to >ask people for something.

the frieden guys tell clear, they dont want release the full source.
please tell me a developer that do this with firefox source as the friedens plan for other system ?

that there platform independent opensource software exists, is only the reason i think , that there are luckily very very few guys as the friedens, that catch platform independent opensource software and search a way so, the must not release some parts of their code and stay legal, exist.

And if this all devs do, then there was no opensource software, or what do you think ?

Are the firefox guys get happy when they see that the friedens port their work and get lots money for that and look how they can avoid to release source.

i have inform firefox team about that thread and bounty and what they think about that, lets see, maybe they change the licence.....

@DAX
>(and as an outsider that hopes for a modern Amiga OS I second the fact that OS3 >should be abandoned forever)

BTW: When i read your comment and see that you are new, i get in mind that DAX is maybe a second account of a AOS4 Fan that want make OS4 promotion, so users think OS4 is the best future, because you like it.

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I've donated just now, good work! :)

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i have inform firefox team about that thread and bounty and what they think about that, lets see, maybe they change the licence.....

I think that everybody who donated "thanks you" for that!

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@DAX >(and as an outsider that hopes for a modern Amiga OS I second the fact that OS3 >should be abandoned forever) BTW: When i read your comment and see that you are new, i get in mind that DAX is maybe a second account of a AOS4 Fan that want make OS4 promotion, so users think OS4 is the best future, because you like it.

That was fun
During the golden days i was a rabid Amiga supporter always showing how Exclusive Amiga software did things no other software on the PC could do (times when Real 3D V2 and CineMorph were cool), I abbandoned the platform for work reasons (I got employed in a PC centric company) and kept playing games on consoles for a long while.
In that world I got accustomed to "Linear Evolution" and I came to expect XP to be better than Millennium and to expect that Playstation 2 would be better than Playstation One.
I also came to expect that, eventually, both Sega and Microsoft would cease supporting the older platforms and that incompatible (but ultra modern) software would come out in return.

And you know what? It actually Works!

From what I gathered Amiga OS4.1 and Morph (two modern commercial platforms) are the best bet for the linear evolution I know and love, Full HD VideoPlayback, OpenCL GPU calculations, FLV Streaming are all in the realm of possibilities in future releases (heck most of that can be performed on the Radeon HD4350 for which a driver is in the works).

Then if you wanna know, between the two I tend to prefer Amiga OS because 1)Future Radeon HD drivers could and eventually will bring all the goods in the world, and 2) it's AMIGA branded, which alone is capable of attracting a lot of ex amigans and gives the platform better chances to re-gain some lost audience).

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The Friedens are NOT asking a lot of money for Timberwolf, they are asking for non mandatory "DONATIONS" to do the port, which when finished will be released completely for free to any OS4.1 user that wants to download it.

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>That was fun

Thats no fun, same i read from several OS4 users that want force with the words hey you use a old system, buy OS4 its new.But i dont see whats newer and cant do with OS3 and AROS code or AROS code.

I accept OS4 and i have never say, a AOS on expensive and slow Hardware should die.

But i of course dont want a AOS that run on slow and expensive HW, but every is welcome to buy it or use it, or use maybe my code on it.

>From what I gathered Amiga OS4.1 and Morph (two modern commercial platforms) >are the best bet for the linear evolution I know and love, Full HD VideoPlayback, >OpenCL GPU calculations, FLV Streaming are all in the realm of possibilities in >future releases (heck most of that can be performed on the Radeon HD4350 for >which a driver is in the works).

sorry i cant believe, that somebody that come back to amiga and is so extreme happy for this OS4 system and the Hardware power it have.yeah right a Radeon HD4350 on a PCI slot with opencl.Here the transfer of Data need longer than the calc time even on a slow 440ep PPC the PPC must wait 20 clocks for each transfered long data over the PCI Bus., so its faster when the PPC calc itself instead waiting for Data.

The sense of opencl is only when have too a fast Bus system to transfer data to and from GFX Card.

If you only want motivate guys to buy such a system with some possible future announce is bad.when they are heree and work for all, then you can promote, but not before.

maybe somebody at amigaworld can look, if here maybe afxgroup have a secondary account as DAX ?

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This is my understanding also, and I think their choice is pretty logical. The Friedens are OS4 developers, they've spent years nursing and raising it, and also defending it against numerous ignorants and nay-sayers. Wouldn't it be naive to expect _them_ to support anything else than OS4?

Of course, but if you want to abide to that logic they pretty much should develop a browser from scratch and not rely on the work of others...

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Thanks for keeping us informed - and thanks for trying to get things solved.

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I am really close to hit the REPORT button now and I am quite sure I'm not the only one who's getting sick and tired of your off topic posts.

You are way off topic and looking at your posting history it seems you only enter OS4 discussions or OS4 related topics to spread FUD.

And please edit your comments regarding payback of the Sputnik bounty.
As I already told you in a PM you are wrong in your theory about what happened with this money as each and every Euro was either returned or forwarded to other OS4 developers.

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i have inform firefox team about that thread and bounty and what they think about that, lets see, maybe they change the licence.....

Sorry, but you really not smart. Ppls works on somethink, and you will spend your time for making bad thinks about ?

2700 it's not "a lot of money". That maybe for you a lot of money. Any programmer in the any kind of "middle" company have 2-3 thousadns per month.

Why you bother about ? Make your AFAOS and be happy ! Problems with womans ? Bad life ? Please , stop that childrish crap.

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Are the firefox guys get happy when they see that the friedens port their work and get lots money for that and look how they can avoid to release source. i have inform firefox team about that thread and bounty and what they think about that, lets see, maybe they change the licence...

LoL
Well good, maybe they'll donate some money to the bounty.

@pixie:

Care to tell what has trying to push your plattform of choice to do with developing from scratch or taking someone's else previous work? i fail to see your reasoning here.

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Problem is that porting code form OS4 to OS3 could be much harder than from OS3 to OS4- especially if OS4 support for SOs etc was used- this was why the plan was always to port OS3 first, then OS4 etc should be simple!

Devs haven't been interested in doing an OS3 port so far- why would they want to do one now after an OS4 port?


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You should try pushing your platform alone forward with your own set of software, not with a set of software which is by it's own nature a common joint venture. If you want to push your platform of choice do it on the OS bits that could make the audience goes on saying:'look this Firefox runs way to fast on this setup, it should be due to the inner core of the OS structure since there's no other way of explaining it otherwise since the hardware is way to slow'.

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