@ DAX:
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I don't think building 4.0 from a 100% blank canvas was even an option...

This 4.0 perhaps, but the past 4.0 managed to workout just fine, thank you very much...

@ Jacken:
You make your call from a 2001 interview? How many U turns had happened since, yet you take it for serious?

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@pixie

Please wake up...

You wouldn't have to spend more then five minutes of your life to look up what the facts are.

Perhaps some of the developers here can step in tell us the truth.

If 3.1 source code, which came from Olaf and 3.5, 3.9 (Haage & partner) was no help at all to build OS4.0 then I should withdraw all I sad.

If you belive that OS4.1 has nothing to do with OS4.0, well then it's useless to even continue this discussion.

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If you belive that OS4.1 has nothing to do with OS4.0, well then it's useless to even continue this discussion.

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@pixie
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This 4.0 perhaps, but the past 4.0 managed to workout just fine, thank you very much...

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@DAX

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@Jacken:
You didn't know that in a not so distant future 4.0 was to be what today is called MorphOS? I wonder how much of the history you really knows...

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@pixie

I know that.
I do remember Phase5 and all that to.

I've been around the Amiga since way back in the -80's, so perhaps my memory would fail sometimes.

But what has that to do with that you are saying that??:
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Amiga OS4 doesn't uses 3.1 sources, period. If this don't make it as alien as any other of the clones I don't know what does.

They used the sources to build OS4. But I could have misunderstood you if you meant that there are not any code or sources left in OS4 from 3.1?

But to be honest, i don't really care today.
Because for me it's not AmigaOS anymore. I agree with Linnar and some other people..

Rename it to HyperionOS.

And with the sum of what has happend during this 9 years (almost), well I belive that we would have better of with the others. If you get what i mean? (I sad that whith no insult or anythning)

No, could you please answer the questions before you go any further.

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AmigaOS 4 is the latest step of a long and troubled evolution, things look better today, forget the past and 2 years from now and you will forget other clones too (new evolved 4.2/4.5/5.0 and new powerful HW, it doesn't get any better than this).

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@DAX

Past 2 years?

It's the past 8-9 years.

And for me, without AmigaInc this OS is nothing more than another clone.
That is my feeling for it.

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Rename it to HyperionOS.

To put it in perspective Amiga Inc of nowadays is nothing but a shoddy company, just a shell game, you might as well rename it as you please, it has nothing to do with the Amiga we once known.
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They used the sources to build OS4.

You know, such as other used the actual RKPM to build their OS, different ways a common goal, to build an Amiga OS. In the some sense both used the sources, although in different form.
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But I could have misunderstood you if you meant that there are not any code or sources left in OS4 from 3.1?

Perhaps there isn't, perhaps the code itself was a bit of a mess...

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@Jacken
No, I meant the NEXT 2 years (wait to see what's in store for us).

Talking about "Without Amiga Inc...", Commodore itself just bought Amiga to start with, they did not create it, but nobody complained about it, and nobody would say that the A1200 was not Amiga because it wasn't handled/created by the original group.
Since Commodore went out of business it was mandatory for another alien company (as Alien as Commodore originally was) to handle the business, but we were unlucky with the big C= successors (Escom, Gateway the first Amiga Inc. the second Amiga Inc. etc.).

Anyway, you can sell the Mona Lisa to South Africa and it will still be the Mona Lisa no matter who owns it. If you put your hands on a 4.1 machine (whatever that might be) it will take you 2 nanoseconds to recognize AmigaOS. Try it I say. It is the one and only we always loved only more advanced (and from now on it will get more advanced still).

Anyway, hope (for everyone here of course,) that Hyperion will conquer your hearts back with facts (future products that are exactly what the community wants since the day after Commodore bankruptcy).

Yes i know, now the "I don't think they will" will start, but let's stop arguing on what we cannot know, this is a big chance to start over, let's see what happens now that legal blunders are out of the way.

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@DAX

Ok, misunderstood you with the years.

Can't see why you are dragging Commodore into this.

Commodore bought Amiga.(The company). Thats ok.
Gateway bought Amiga (The company). Thats ok.
Amiga.Inc (Amino actually but they renamed it Amiga.Inc.) bought Amiga.(The company). Thats ok.

But Hyperion haven't bought Amiga.(The company).
Well, actually we don't really know yet. But i doubt it.

This is not a settlement in my eyes. Not until AmigaInc makes a statement about it.
If they not make any statement, well I see this like a Hostile takeover over AmigaOS.

Then, the Computer Amiga I don't really understand why you are talking about that.
It has nothing to do with AmigaOS now.. Even if I have the AmigaONE G4 that is the closest o be an Amiga in my mind today, thats just because AmigaInc let it to be a an Amiga. It doesn't matter if it would have been a x86 machine or any other hardware that is out there. It's only because AmigaInc let the it be so. But thats only my point of view.

I can't understand why you are unlucky with 3.5 and 3.9. Because that are some of the products that I have bought and used. What company do you belive maked does version real?
Haage &Partner.. Yepp.. But if it wasn't for Amiga (The company) you never would have seen those version to.

And without AmigaInc there would have not been any OS4. It's only because they let Hyperion to make the port. It was a agreement.

If they hadn't listen to all of us back then, because I do belive the Community made some impact on AmigaInc and even Hyperion to port AmigaOS 68k to PPC, we wouldn't had AmigaOS4 today.

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Yes i know, now the "I don't think they will" will start, but let's stop arguing on what we cannot know, this is a big chance to start over, let's see what happens now that legal blunders are out of the way.

Actually. I do belive that so much more would happen now.
I belive that Hyperion must do this.

I don't belive this is the end for the new OS.

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You are the first Amiga Inc lover i encounter here (well I guessed they existed, but never found one, untill now ).

Anyway ownership is transfered in many ways, you might have bought the Fenis Castle in northen Italy yourself, and you might loose it to your divorcing wife (let's just say she is called Rebecca) in a litigation.
Yes your wife did not pay a penny, yes she now Owns it, and again yes the Fenis Castle is still the Fenis Castle it doesn't turn into "Rebecca Castle".

As a sign of this not only you get Hyperion announcement but the fact that Ainc. removed (was forced to remove) all AOS4 references from the website.

Anyway, as a final user all I care is that from now on everything goes fine (we all should).

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@Jacken

Building competitive customized hardware in 2009 is to expensive for any Amiga company so what we have left is software, the AmigaOS.

Hyperion have made the newest incarnation of AmigaOS using AmigaOS3.1 sources, so stating "It has nothing to do with AmigaOS now" is utter rubbish. AmigaOS4 has everything to do with AmigaOS, IT IS AmigaOS and all you can state with some truth is that the hardware that runs AmigaOS4 are not really Amiga's.

Newest official AmigaOS = AmigaOS4.1 by Hyperion entertainment.

@Linnar
It's called AmigaOS and not HyperOS or anything like that. It's belonging to Hyperion and Amiga Inc simply does not have any operating systems among their products. They have talked a lot about OS5 (and AmigaOS5) but that is 100% vapourware.
Even if they release an operating system it won't be named AmigaOS or be a continuation of the AmigaOS we know and love.

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Building competitive customized hardware in 2009 is to expensive for any Amiga company so what we have left is software, the AmigaOS.

I understand that, thats why I said it wouldn't matter to me.

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You are the first Amiga Inc lover i encounter here (well I guessed they existed, but never found one, untill now ).

Thank you.

It has nothing to do which company I love most.

It's facts. Without AmigaInc and the visions some of the people had over there, we wouldn't had any OS4 at all.

I understand that some people only see the last few years. I know that AmigaInc have promised to much. It's not about that.

I do understand that AmigaOS now belongs to Hyperion. But for me, it could be MorphOS they called OS4.
Why not, some people even states that MorphOS is build on sources from 3.1.
(take the last senteces with some )

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I have to agree with Jacken,

I do like Hyperion and appreciate all they have done with Amiga ( OS 4 and classic software) but why they did not honour their contract with Amiga Inc. Yes they put a lot extra into OS 4, but AI was willing to increase the payment. They just damaged the Amiga community more by dragging us through another long Court battle.

Did Hyperion deserve more money and a license to use Amiga OS 4.x - YES. Does Hyperion deserve to own Amiga OS - NO.

@jutrem

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Does Hyperion deserve to own Amiga OS - NO.

Tne court & lawyers thought otherwise.

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