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News   News : Former Netscape Executive Ends AmiZilla Booty
   posted by DiscreetFX on 20-Nov-2009 2:23:32 (31070 reads)
Chicago, Illinois November 19th, 2009



For Immediate Release


It's with great sadness that we must announce the end of the AmiZilla Booty. The former Netscape Executive has been concerned with the length of the contest for some time and now no longer wishes to participant. Listed below is a statement in his own words about why the contest is over.


"Today I wish to end the AmiZilla Contest, this project has gone on way too long with no project updates from any coders that might have been involved. Some that never even donated to the contest have tried to use it to cast DiscreetFX and myself in a bad light. Rumors were spread that the funds were being used for other things. I take this as a personal insult myself since I am in control of the funds and am of high ethical character. AmiZilla was always about helping the Amiga, AROS & MorphOS community get a modern browser. It was a contest though and without a clear winner the contest was not helping it's sponsors, mainly DiscreetFX and myself.

Many times I was going to increase my contribution to the bounty considerably but I did not because of rumor spreading and in-fighting. I advise everyone in the Amiga community to do more and talk less in the future. I officially withdraw my AmiZilla funds and hopefully make the Amiga community wiser for it. Actions speak louder than words, this is my action. I do see a light at the end of the tunnel though. The developers of Amiga OS 4.1 have taken it upon themselves to actually do the hard work of porting Firefox to AmigaOS. They would have made the programming team from Netscape proud."

That's the end of his statement. He did say the CD is maturing and all the funds minus his contribution will be transferred back to DiscreetFX. Listed below are the options that those that donated have.

1. Transfer your donation to Timberwolf to help that Firefox bounty succeed.

2. Request a refund and have it processed through our accounting department. Your donation was always safe with DiscreetFX. We have never done any type of coupon scams or anything else unethical in the history of the company.

3. Transfer donation to Open Video Toaster. This effort to bring video editing and effects to Amiga OS 4.x, AROS and MorphOS is in need of more donations to make it thrive. AmigaOS, MorphOS & AROS have no video editing applications anywhere near the quality of the Amiga Video Toaster. What they do have is the rare opportunity of the complete source code to this classic best selling system. Use that opportunity wisely!

4. Receive the equivalent of your donation in DFX products.

5. Request your donation goes to Charity Water. Many people in the world are suffering because they don't have clean water. Help them by transferring your AmiZilla Booty donation to this great charity.

Sorry for the bad news but AmiZilla's key backer has spoken.


Best regards

DiscreetFX Team
    

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Re: Former Netscape Executive Ends AmiZilla Booty
Posted on 20-Nov-2009 14:33:35
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@qwertz

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(remember that DiscreetFX also had a virtual $2,000 in that pot)


You don't know that it was "virtual" (i.e. never really deposited) for sure. You should be careful with such an accusation.

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I always had a hard time to believe in this mysterious anonymous rich person story. Deus ex machinae or what? As long as he doesn't reveal his identity, I'm not believing this story at all. Sorry. No names, no credibility. Who knows if there ever really was a $5,000 donation? Could've been a fake after all. This former Netscape exec story really smells like one big hoax. The fact that it is cancelled now shortly before a release greatly contributes to the theory that there never was a former Netscape exec who donated $5,000. But that's just my 2 cents...


I agree in that it always seemed odd (IMO as well). It seems even odder to think this former Netscape exec reads Moo Bunny, and the timing on the hard questioning on there with this ending seems strange as well.

That said DiscreetFX did a very nice thing in giving away a 4000T to someone on Amiga.org recently. They support sites like ours monetarily too. They've supported at least one other bounty with some cash that I am aware of (and I'd guess probably more than that). So they deserve IMO some benefit of the doubt. In the end we can now start seperate MorphOS and AROS bounties and fund them with less restrictions than the Amizilla bounty had.

So even if you are right its a win for the community I think. And if you are not, well thats some reason I think to cut them some slack and just let this go. Money back with interest is no harm no foul in the end.


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They support sites like ours monetarily too. They've supported at least one other bounty with some cash that I am aware of (and I'd guess probably more than that). So they deserve IMO some benefit of the doubt.


True, but this could've been the money that they got through the AmiZilla bounty. In my opinion it's totally not fair from DiscreetFX to remove the donors' list from the AmiZilla page and say: "If you want your money back, please contact us." You know that there will be a lot people who don't check back aw.net regularly or have left the scene completely. Then their money will stay at DiscreetFX forever. DiscreetFX has became a trustee by accepting donations and now that the AmiZilla was cancelled, they should send an email to *everyone* who donated instead of simply saying "Contact us if you want your money back". That's just not the way such things should be handled.

And his statement on the AmiZilla page that

Quote:

Today on November 19th, 2009 a lizard died. She was killed by a Moo and a Bunny.


is really totally hilarious and unprofessional. 99% of this moo bunny thread was about DiscreetFX. And yes, I found that thread insulting to BillP but it doesn't give him the right to cancel the bounty because of some moobunny trolls. Once again, this is hilariously unprofessional behaviour. I'm sure none of the trolls from moo bunny donated to AmiZilla.

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@qwertz

qwertz wrote:
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In my opinion it's totally not fair from DiscreetFX to remove the donors' list from the AmiZilla page and say: "If you want your money back, please contact us." You know that there will be a lot people who don't check back aw.net regularly or have left the scene completely. Then their money will stay at DiscreetFX forever. DiscreetFX has became a trustee by accepting donations and now that the AmiZilla was cancelled, they should send an email to *everyone* who donated instead of simply saying "Contact us if you want your money back". That's just not the way such things should be handled.


You are 100 percent correct there IMO. Thats proper business sense and etiquette 101 in my book as well. Maybe they will correct that. This decision seems to have been made with emotion, so it may not be permanently left that way.

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I found that thread insulting to BillP but it doesn't give him the right to cancel the bounty because of some moobunny trolls.


This is the part I don't get. The Netscape Exec all of a sudden is the caretaker of funds and he/she is the one who got upset at Moo Bunny and ends the bounty for that reason? Thats the part weirding me out. Whats the chances really that some former Netscape Exec stays on top of Moo Bunny that closely, let alone the chances he/she would ever read that site?

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transfer the donation to Timberwolf to help that Firefox bounty succeed



Timberwolf is for OS4 & i am an Aros & OS3.9 user.

I have donate thinking of AROS[x86] & OS3.9[68k] not OS4[ppc]

so what about none os4 users like Aros/real amigaOS 68k/morphos.


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This is the part I don't get. The Netscape Exec all of a sudden is the caretaker of funds and he/she is the one who got upset at Moo Bunny and ends the bounty for that reason? Thats the part weirding me out. Whats the chances really that some former Netscape Exec stays on top of Moo Bunny that closely, let alone the chances he/she would ever read that site?


Probably something approaching like a 0% chance. Likewise that there ever was any "netscape exec". If anything it was some jumper monkey who interned at Netscape or some such.

The whole "Netscape exec backs an Amiga project, but I'm not telling who who he is, what he did or why he's behind this" has a certain WELL MY GIRLFRIEND LIVES IN CANADA YEAH CANADA AND SHE'S GORGEOUS SHE'S FAMOUS TOO THAT'S WHY I DON'T SHOW YOU A PICTURE BECAUSE IT'D GET ALL IN THE PRESS AND EVERYTHING BUT SHE'S 100% REAL, MAN ring to it.

In other words, a lie.


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I'm happy to report that the interest earned on the CD will be spread out to all the donators to AmiZilla. Thus those that donated made money. Someone mention the list of contributors to AmiZilla was gone from the site. I have made sure that was fixed ASAP.

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I'm happy to report that the interest earned on the CD will be spread out to all the donators to AmiZilla. Thus those that donated made money.


Taking into account inflation that would depend on the interest rate earned. But thats good news regardless.

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He did say the CD is maturing and all the funds minus his contribution will be transferred back to DiscreetFX
(Above quote from the press release.)

BTW I guess he was rolling this over continuously in very short term CDs? If he wasn't how would the bounty have ever been paid out in a timely fashion? I find that surprising of a business executive as you usually also get better rates in some savings accounts than in very short term CDs. And tying up the money is not usual practice for a bounty. The whole point of most CDs is to promise to have the money tied up for a decent amount of time in order to eclipse average savings account rates.

All the more reason its probably good this bounty is over IMO.

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Is there a link to the moobunny issue in question?


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@fairlanefastback

The money was transferred to a CD in the first place because that's what many donators requested back then. Interests rates used to be very nice back then as well. Today interest rates on CD's are horrible. We were also nervous to have such a large sum of money in Paypal. Many people have complained about Paypal over the years locking accounts and holding up funds for a long time. Like someone said in this thread we became like a trustee. We valued the donations AmiZilla supporters made and had great respect for their contributions. Thus in the end refunds with interest are offered.


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I find it odd that many donators requested monies sent to be tied up in what it usually designed to be a mid to long term financial vehicle.

Rates on long term CDs are almost always better than savings, unless you buy in at the really wrong time. Short term CDs are usually lucky if they match a savings account with a good rate. And so very short term CDs are usually not good for anyone. Are you saying the money was tied up in one long term CD for years?

Regardless, it probably would have been good to tell the community that you were handing off their funds to an anonymous third party I think. When people asked what was going on with the bounty you always referred folks to Ants saying you just handled keeping the money IIRC.

P.S.

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2. Request a refund and have it processed through our accounting department.


How many folks work at DiscreetFX? I did not personally envision you guys being large enough for a dedicated accounting dept.

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Finally an end to waiting for many. Now people knows there will be nothing with this and get funds back or sent to other development. Thanks.

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@qwertz
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is really totally hilarious and unprofessional. 99% of this moo bunny thread was about DiscreetFX. And yes, I found that thread insulting to BillP but it doesn't give him the right to cancel the bounty because of some moobunny trolls. Once again, this is hilariously unprofessional behaviour. I'm sure none of the trolls from moo bunny donated to AmiZilla.


You hit the nail on the head. I sincerely hope THAT was not the case but if it turn out that it was then ok I'm an Aros supporter and if my money is not good enough then fine I won't buy even one product from that company ever. (And I never will have to either, obviously)


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Except that we have donated lots of money to AROS over the years and helped it out.


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Weird: I was one of the firt to ask for a refund and was contacted directly by DiscreetFX (I gave $10 at he beginning of the Amizilla bounty).

I was also the first to tell that this money was earning interests.

DiscreetFX gave 7 in my behalf to the TimberWolf bounty, which is less that than the former $10 I gave and there isn't even the interests in this 7. (nor the inflation).

Of course, 7 is few but all this story is too odd and I'm very glad it comes to an end.

Hopefully AmiBounty seems to be much more clear in its money management.


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K-L wrote:
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DiscreetFX gave 7 in my behalf to the TimberWolf bounty, which is less that than the former $10 I gave and there isn't even the interests in this 7.




On the bright side they'll need to fix what you say they did now (if that was indeed the case). Maybe it was just an oversight at the time.

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Currency rates fluctuate daily, today it's more than $10.

http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=7&From=EUR&To=USD&x=23&y=6

A small donation like $10 earns very little interest, unfortunately.

We are responsible for inflation too now? That might be pushing it. Remember Paypal deducted money from each donation for themselves but we are not even taking that into account. That's very generous if you ask me. Amigabounty.net deducts the Paypal fees from each donation and does not put it in the Timerwolf pot. How much do you expect? I'll ask accounting about it.

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@DiscreetFX

I would like the $100 (plus interest earned) to be transferred to the Timberwolf project. How do I go about authorizing the transfer?

Thanks

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A small donation like $10 earns very little interest, unfortunately.


Interest is based on a percentage value. And it also depends on whether its compounded daily or monthly as to its earning power. He says he was an early donor. What is his interest rate and which way was it compounded?

Or are you trying to say small donations don't get their interest back?

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We are responsible for inflation too now?


No, but you declared folks made money in the deal. Thats only true if their interest outpaced inflation. Otherwise, thats not true (at least not in the way that matters). Its only being mentioned I think because you guys said it was profit for folks.

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@TrevorDick

Each request is given to accounting so they can verify, give them a chance to take care of it. Sending your Paypal receipt will speed up the process. Reset assured Timberwolf will get your donation. They will deduct Paypal fees so keep that in mind.

@fairlanefastback

Nope, all donations earned interest. He might have forgot that Amigabounty deducts the Paypal fee and does not included that in the Timberwolf donation. I have sent his message to accounting for review to make sure it was not us.

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So how about clearing things up a bit ? Do you think AROS=Moobunny or not ? What are you trying to make us believe by your strange announcements "Moo an bunny kills the Lizard" what's all that about ???????

PS. I have donated lot's to Aros too so you are not alone.


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