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News   News : Review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1 / Interview with Simon Archer
   posted by Daff on 23-Feb-2010 15:03:46 (20456 reads)
The magazine Obligement published today the review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1, the latest version of the Amiga operating system for AmigaOne (XE, SE, MicroA1), Sam440ep/Flex and Pegasos II.

This review come with an interview with Simon Archer, one of the AmigaOS 4.x developers.


- Review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1 (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/amigaos41_update1.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/itwarcher.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (english) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwarcher_en.php
    

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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
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@Amigauser
sorry, see my comment below!

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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
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But Rigo doesn't have anything to do with A-Eon. Would you refrain from buying a Dell PC because some developer of Windows said something you do not like?

Anyway, considering how people have been behaving on aw.net lately I find Rigo's comment very reasonable. Constant nagging, accusations that A-Eon and Hyperion are lying etc. Rigo is right in that a lot of people need to grow up.

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Anyway, considering how people have been behaving on aw.net lately I find Rigo's comment very reasonable. Constant nagging, accusations that A-Eon and Hyperion are lying etc. Rigo is right in that a lot of people need to grow up.


And as a lesson in how to be a grown up he states on here that he could care less if 97 percent of the Amiga community caught on fire? Bottom line is thats going to offend certain folks. And its probably a bad idea in an ultra niche market to be that careless with your words, whether you really feel that way, and whether you have some right to feel that way or not.


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This is indeed a PR disaster...not even corrected by him or anyone else


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@Troels

There are a lot of people thinking like him right now,i can asure you. A serious company would have done some damage control the very next day,and that has not happend yet. Does that set A-Eon or Hyperion in a good light?


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@Hondo
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corrected

Correct ... ahem ... what exactly??? Rigo's personal view? How?

@Caveman
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done some damage control

Make a proposal! What should they do? Sorry - but these suggestions are more or less pointless. Rigo's personal view is his personal view. (And I still don't get it, what has this to do with the X1000?)

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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
Posted on 26-Feb-2010 20:14:46
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@cha05e90

So if a employee at a grocery store,said stuff like he said in this thread,you would still do your shopping there? Me personally would stop using that store,until that employee was gone. People that take that ####,and not reacting on it,is nothing more than push overs,and cowards.

And it's not my responibility to make any proposal. But i can tell you what. If he was my employee,he would have been SO FIRED!!!


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I really wonder why hyperion and os4 coders even bother, when they clearly hate everyone in the amiga community. Nearly every response in that interview was borderline rude as well as negative against amiga community.

Why be rude and negative to the customers that actually buy your products?
The X1000 sounds dead on arrival judging by that interview as well, since we the amiga community has apparently been very negative about the X1000 project.. Funny how i have seen mostly just postiive comments about the project? I think the team should grow thicker skin and not take everything as a damn personal attack. The majority of the community have been very supportive of this project, so i dont see why they should let a few individuals in minority ruin everything?? There will always be some people who will never be pleased.

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@rigo
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I'm not here to make friends, the questions were answered honestly, not to make people happy. 97% of the people in this coomunity can go and catch fire as far as I'm concerned, I know who I'd want holding my extinguisher if push comes to shove.

I guess you only want the trolls to stay then?? I think you seriously need help if you actually mean this.

This is exactly what i talked about in my previous post.. Why the hel* do you blame the behaviour of a small minority on all the amiga community?? Most people have actually been supportive and positive about the X1000 project as well as Amiga OS 4.1.

Again i ask.. Why do you even bother to develop if the people who buy your products suck and deserve to burn to death?
Also why even agree to this interview when all you are going to do is be rude and bash the community and your customers??

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I wonder who's the 3% is Perhaps we should create a POLL. Are you one of Rigo's chosen ones (3%) __YES __NO @Rigo I really wish you a better day tomorrow

Probably just the beta testers and other OS4 devs.. :\

I surely take his response rather personally.. I knew some devs were feed up with trolls and moobunny, but i didnt think they actually had these thoughts about amiga community. He is pretty much saying that nearly all of us deserves to burn. The same people who shelled out money for their products...
I kinda regret buying the sam+OS4.1 now, as i dont really want to support anyone that things so horrible about me and other fellow amigans.

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Don't make this a bigger thing than it really is. Simon is one of many developers of the OS, and you'd have to be incredibly fickle to "stop buying" just because one developer voices his discontent, especially when you know that he has a point. We know that the OS 4 devs have to put up with a lot of BS, that's one of the reasons why you see them on these forums less and less these days. The way that most threads get derailed into bitching, mudslinging, and negativity can get to anyone. Rather than getting angry about his bluntness, perhaps think about the message itself instead of the delivery. Ask yourself if you've been responsible for some of the trolling, mudslinging, etc. If not, great; if yes, then, well ... time to grow up. Hans

Can you please point me to all those threads with people trolling and attacking the X1000 project?? Most threads and comments here talked mostly positive about it. Why should everyone be blamed for something that a few individuals say? I also find it weird that they take everything personally. Even posting a thread about a bug seems to be trolling these days judging by their responses to such threads.

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I surely take his response rather personally

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I also find it weird that they take everything personally.



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I would also like to add that I find it strange there has not been one single attempt at damage control from Hyperion. I guess that means they think it's OK for one of the core developers (I think, at least) and beta-tester coordinator to give interviews like this.

If you ask me, it's a PR disaster, but that's me. Hyperion have just acquired full ownership of AmigaOS 4.x and are working together with a startup company to release a new computer, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand they need good PR...

Exactly!

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A bit different saying that someone deserves to burn. This is pretty much a direct personal attack on most amigans in this community, since he clearly said that he meant that 97% of this community deserves to burn.

I was talking about taking personal offence to people posting about bugs, having different opinions about hardware choices and so on. Why should they take this personally??

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@Troels

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@Amigauser
Your attitude is not any better than Rigo's and is what drives people away from AW.net.

Why bother comment on an AmigaOS4.1 review and related interview when you are obviously not interested in a "hobby os" or "expensive hardware".


my attitude???... i got a sam with os4.0 and i was looking forward to this x1000 upgrade and was going to buy this new amiga. as a upcoming customer i take it personal, when i get bad mouthed by a guy in the company that are gonna sell me the new x1000. no sane upcoming customer that are going to be treated this badly will buy this product. wake up like it or not but this product is a hobby product at this stage, its not a billion dollar selling business like microsoft or apple, its a garage business. you would think they would care about their few customers they have, but it looks like they dont give a damn. i am not supporting a garage business that bad mouth you after you have given them your money, thats for sure.

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my attitude???... i got a sam with os4.0 and i was looking forward to this x1000 upgrade and was going to buy this new amiga. as a upcoming customer i take it personal, when i get bad mouthed by a guy in the company that are gonna sell me the new x1000. no sane upcoming customer that are going to be treated this badly will buy this product. wake up like it or not but this product is a hobby product at this stage, its not a billion dollar selling business like microsoft or apple, its a garage business. you would think they would care about their few customers they have, but it looks like they dont give a damn. i am not supporting a garage business that bad mouth you after you have given them your money, thats for sure.

I guess there will always be some fanboys who buy it no matter what. I myself wont give a single cent more unless hyperion distances themselves from both the interview and quote about community deserving to burn. Why should i buy another product from people that clearly seems to hate me and most other amigans? I already regret supporting them by buying 4.1 after reading all this flaming of the community.

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Correct ... ahem ... what exactly??? Rigo's personal view? How?


As long as he work under contract,he is representing the company. It's simple really,a customer rarely has any contact with the management of the company,so it's the employee's responsibility to represent the company towards the customer.

So whenever a employee has any contact with customers,be it interview,or whatever,he DO represent the company,no matter what if it is his personal view,or not! What he just done,is in fact a valid reason for the company to break the contract,with the employee!


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@Tomas

A similar tale, from which we might learn something...in this case it was Amiga Inc. In March of 2006, Ray Akey posted:

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[personal sidenote].. I suspect no one in the Amiga community is ever going to be 100% happy with anything Amiga does. I've come to terms with this and accepted that this is just the way it is and just carry on with business.[/personal note]


To which I responded:
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If you continue to "lump" all of us together, Ray, then you will sooner, not later, have no one left to attempt to advocate for solutions.


To which Ray responded:
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While I can't speak for the rest of Amiga, Inc., I hope you understand that this is not me ignoring you or lumping you all as a group with a label. It is simply the fact that I (we) are quite busy and just don't get time to read external websites very often. :(


Perhaps Rigo missed the hundreds of positive postings, much like Ray did.

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A bit different saying

Tomas, YOU decide what you take personally and RIGO decides what he takes personally. No, there is no difference. Tomas, by all respect for you - you are not the one who decides what is the "gold standard of personal offence" for the rest of the world.

@Caveman
Of course Hyperion will not be happy about this "occasion". They can do a lot of things, i.e. apologise for something they are not resposible for, end Rigo's contract (he's no employee, he can't be "fired") or take any other action you can imagine. But in the end aprox. 97% (oops ) of the "community" will find something to nag ("too late", "not clear/harsh/loud enough", "..."). This is what I meant with "pointless" in one of my previous posts....whatever they do, it will be wrong. As always.


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Sorry I think I misinterpreted your post.

I agree that it was a bit harsh but keep in mind the words was Rigo's and not Hyperions or A-eons (which Rigo AFAIK has nothing to do with).

I agree that OS4 is marketed as a hobby OS atm. but wouldn't use that term for the business side of things, neither the word garage company. I'm pretty sure that the budget for the production run of the X1000 is larger than most of us would actually believe.

Again the words was Rigo's personal opinion(?) and everyone is entitled to one. Personally I didn't like the way it was said but I think people here are reading way to much into it.


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