It seems the more questions that are answered the more questions that are raised. It would probably be more efficient to just wait until everything is finalized and end the speculation entirely.

It also appears some people are taking this whole thing rather personally. Hey guys, it's just another computer. Well, maybe not just another computer since it is the next generation Amiga but you get the point. Have fun.

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Another use for xcore... RC5/OCR/whatever crunching...

Yeah, pretty useless, but the xcore uses only some milliwatts, so why not have it running with "something".

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No new hints. It is about ¤1500. Or "only a little more" in the worst case.

I really can't see how they are going to sell at that price. Sure they'll sell a few to the most enthusiastic but it'll be just a few, beyond that I think sales will fall flat without a pretty drastic price cut.

I can't see it being successful at that price, I think they're very unwise to go beyond 1000¤.

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I think some of you guys are missing the point of the customizable chips. They'll awesome for emulating stuff since the code would run native (that or I missing something, don't have much patience to read it after all these years!).
Anyway, 1500¤ ?! I think my A4000T still has much life in front of it :)

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I think they're very unwise to go beyond 1000?.

If you want a sub-1000 price, then there is the Sam440...

X1000 is high-end (for Amiga anyways), and the price reflects that. One wonders how many A2000s sold compared to A500s, or A4000s vs A1200s...

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For that price they should go DDR3 which will be the prevailing type of memory shortly.

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For that price they should go DDR3 which will be the prevailing type of memory shortly.

If the motherboard only supports DDR2 then going with DDR3 would be a huge waste of money, not to mention a disappointment for everyone who buys a machine.

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Could you program it to emulate an Intel chip so you could (finally) have a perfect PC emulation in a window?

I'd rather rather see a modern Amiga OS running on AFFORDABLE powerful PC hardware

ps: I suspect a PC emulator running on this would be pretty fast too

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I believe the price for the AmigaOne X1000 is understandable.

Anyone who has issues with prices should have a look at the apple store :

http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/family/imac

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I believe the price for the AmigaOne X1000 is understandable. Anyone who has issues with prices should have a look at the apple store : http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/family/imac

Those prices are with nearly twice the CPU speed and with monitor, makes the X1000 prices looking even worse.

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Why are you sad? At what price would you buy an X1000?

A-EON obviously can't sell things based on Apple's economics.

Will A-EON sell many machine above 1000 Euro? I doubt it. But I hardly think its surprising that in order to make the thing at all they'd have to charge something like that.

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Those prices are with nearly twice the CPU speed and with monitor, makes the X1000 prices looking even worse.

IIRC, we don't actually know what the final CPU speed of the X1000 will be, other than the following (from the A-EON teaser):
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For reference, our designers have been running the cores at 1.6GHz during thermal testing, but this isn't the exact nominal clock speed.

This suggests that the CPUs will be running faster than 1.6 GHz. So "nearly twice the CPU speed" is pushing it, even if you ignore the architectural differences that make such clock-speed comparisons meaningless.

Also don't forget that the link quotes prices in British Pounds not Euros.
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Wouldn't "thermal testing" already be running the CPU faster than normal? Or did I misunderstand what they were trying to do?

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Wouldn't "thermal testing" already be running the CPU faster than normal? Or did I misunderstand what they were trying to do?

I didn't think about that. However, if I had a brand new prototype, I'd be testing it at a slower speed to begin with, and ramp it up later when I'm confident that it all works. There's no point in testing the limits - thermal or otherwise - until you know that the machine is working reliably.

Well, we'll see what the final specs are later.

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My question which nobody seems to have an answer for is this:

Whats so great about super duper powerful hardware when there is NO SOFTWARE or OS components to take advantage of the speed?

What changes/additions to OS4 will happen for this board to be a success? What new Amiga sofware will be developed?

@realize

The hardware has to exist for software that fully uses it to be developed.

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If you want a sub-1000 price, then there is the Sam440...

I'm not debating this.

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X1000 is high-end (for Amiga anyways), and the price reflects that. One wonders how many A2000s sold compared to A500s, or A4000s vs A1200s...

You had someone to sell them to back then, there was a market for professional Amigas with professional software to use on them. The Amiga was also competitive processor wise, these days you can buy PCs that are *several* times faster for less.

These days there's a small number of enthusiasts, and at that price/performance you'll not interest anyone else. However, 1500E would be a stretch for me and I'm on a good salary, I can well imagine it'll be a stretch too far for many who are interested.

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This suggests that the CPUs will be running faster than 1.6 GHz. So "nearly twice the CPU speed" is pushing it, even if you ignore the architectural differences that make such clock-speed comparisons meaningless.

Even a G5 can't match a Core2Duo clock for clock and the upcoming embedded PPCs are not that aggressive. That said Macs are expensive, a better comparison would be the Alienware Aurora, at 1160Euros that's going to be at least 4x faster.

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Even a G5 can't match a Core2Duo clock for clock and the upcoming embedded PPCs are not that aggressive. That said Macs are expensive, a better comparison would be the Alienware Aurora, at 1160Euros that's going to be at least 4x faster.

Why would that be a better comparison? You're comparing a niche product (i.e., the X1000), with products that are sold in the millions (i.e., a PC). At least Apple machines are in a "niche" of sorts, even if it's also measured in the millions. It's just not realistic to expect a niche product to be priced like a mass produced one.

Maybe if you could guarantee say 100,000 sales ... but you can't.

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@Realize
Why make a DX11 VideoCard if there aren't DX11 games?

HW comes first then software that utilize that HW to its fullest comes second. The X1000 will lead to an AmigaOS that takes advantage of its features (and software too).

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I wont have money for high end Amiga this year, I'll have to start saving.

My father bought me A500 in 1987, then I had "hard times" putting money together for the high end (A2000). I got A2000 system in 1989 (IIRC, I paid over 1666¤ for it HDD,3M RAM,Bridgeboard,Nec3D) a godfather of mine brought it from netherlands, in Finland it would have cost 3000¤. During the year 1994 I saved for A4000, it cost me 2333¤ (2+4Mb,noHDD)(I got 850¤ for the A2000 setup, high end 250M IDE HDD for A4000 cost me 400¤, IIRC). in 1996...1997 I got CS060 accelerator for 1100¤ (btw, IIRC, a friend of mine bought 2xPPro around the same time for 5000¤)

But.

I have already SAM and MosMini & legacy HW. I better consentrate buying SW!

I DO NOT NEED x1000 untill I have SW that requires more power.

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