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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 19-Mar-2010 3:42:46
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| There is a good solution for x86, Aros! |
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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 19-Mar-2010 9:57:44
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you have Aros.I do not see you buying AresONE.so how would it be diferent with a x86 AmigaONE.Sure, hyperion goes almost bankrupt for port AmigaOS to x86 and then naysayers like you do nor buy it because you and others only want to critizise for the fun of it and obviously real amigans do not buy it because is another boring x86 box. _________________ No PowerPC, No Fun Make Amiga Great Again
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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 19-Mar-2010 10:41:21
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| @DAX
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Porting AmigaOS to x86 is the kind of titanic work only gigantic corporations such as Apple can undertake without a sweat (or with a couple of sweats anyway). |
That's not what Rogue said.
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you have Aros.I do not see you buying AresONE.so how would it be diferent with a x86 AmigaONE.Sure, hyperion goes almost bankrupt for port AmigaOS to x86 and then naysayers like you do nor buy it because you and others only want to critizise for the fun of it and obviously real amigans do not buy it because is another boring x86 box. |
Since when was AmigaOS 4 a piece of hardware?
Hyperion make software, and AROS users pay the price asked for the software - £free. Others donate to bounties remember.
A small few buy hardware, but it's not necessary because x86 hardware is available in abundance already... I'd probably get an Imica actually if I had space for a desktop computer.
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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 19-Mar-2010 10:42:24
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| @ Fransexy : Quote:
you have Aros.I do not see you buying AresONE.so how would it be diferent with a x86 AmigaONE. |
Do you see him buying a PPC one then?
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real amigans do not buy it because is another boring x86 box |
But this PPC box is somehow exciting and appealing, they are both quite boring boxes.. _________________ Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home. The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga
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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 19-Mar-2010 15:43:18
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| Oh hello the Fransexy. I do not understanding your post. I am talking about the Amiga OS4. |
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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 20-Mar-2010 2:02:49
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I have also never seen an ARM processor that is faster than the upcoming X1000 (don't know the full specs, but this much is clear), so that violates your "better than" requirement. This is all pie in the sky fantasy. |
Actually an ARM that matches the X1000 CPU has already been announced here, it'll appear in 6 months to a year. _________________ Whyzzat?
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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 20-Mar-2010 8:08:38
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And if PPC stands still snother two years (like it has been on hold since PA6T launch), ARM goes ahead in performance. _________________ - KimmoK // For freedom, for honor, for AMIGA // // Thing that I should find more time for: CC64 - 64bit Community Computer?
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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 20-Mar-2010 9:54:28
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| @WiiNinja I think it is impossible to argue/explain to you, because of the language barrier. So I will not argue with you further, beyond saying this:
* Porting AmigaOS to x86 is much harder than porting it to PPC was (while maintaining backwards compatibility), due to some technical reasons. Some have said it is impossible, but I think it is just difficult & time consuming (i.e. expensive).
* Even if OS4 could be ported to x86, the job would be difficult & take a long time (years?). While that was being done, OS4 for PPC would fall (further) behind other OSes, and might not see any updates at all. And Hyperion would be spending lots of money, probably without seeing much money from OS4 sales.
* Hyperion have *already* spent a lot of money making PPC version of AmigaOS, and I think they would like to try to recover that first. If you give them a few million dollars, then maybe they will change their mind
* Hyperion have *not* ruled-out an x86 port of OS4 in the *future*. But I think that depends on OS4 (PPC) doing well now. If it did well enough, then maybe in 5-10 years time we would see an ARM or x86 port of OS4. _________________ Author of the PortablE programming language. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue...
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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 21-Mar-2010 2:31:06
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| @KimmoK
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And if PPC stands still snother two years (like it has been on hold since PA6T launch), ARM goes ahead in performance. |
That could happen a lot sooner then 2 years, GlobalFoundries are meant to be making A9s this year, I haven't heard any numbers but they could be very impressive.
That said PPC isn't standing still, there's new designs from IBM, AMCC and maybe also Freescale shipping or on the way. They're not as aggressive as the G5s but there'll probably be some overlap performance wise. _________________ Whyzzat?
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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 22-Mar-2010 19:13:56
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I think 2Ghz A9 should have same kind of performance than PA6T 2Ghz (roughly).
PA Semi demonstrated that also in PPC land the true innovation come from small players, same kind of trend can be seen elsewhere as well, sometimes. Big players are lazy too often.
btw. where's the next Q&A Part? Last edited by KimmoK on 22-Mar-2010 at 07:14 PM.
_________________ - KimmoK // For freedom, for honor, for AMIGA // // Thing that I should find more time for: CC64 - 64bit Community Computer?
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Re: A-EON FAQ part 2 Posted on 26-Mar-2010 6:10:26
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To kickstart software R&D, simulators for AMD64 and DX11 was released before hardware. _________________ Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68) Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68)
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