@Mikey_C:
You got those but you got all sorts of uninterested posts which I don't see you bragging about... reality hurts and usually bites you in the...

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@Pixie

Do something creative, organise your own event and create your own publicity instead of leaching off the efforts from people like me, A-EON. ACUBE or Hyperion.

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@Troels
Yep - it's often the "I still have my A500" or "I only use UAE with heap-loads of so-called 'abandonware'" fraction. Many of them like AROS, 'cos it's "cheap" (costs nothin'). I assume this people *not* as real AROS supporters - not in the meaning of real dedication, giving money for bounties, give back error reports etc.

Those people are a fraction of the "community" nobody really needs...

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@Mikey_C:
Perhaps you want a new kind of censorship to exist... but as it is now it's democracy 101 for you and me, btw I never criticized the event or such anywhere quite the contrary.

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@MikeyC

Actually that's true, Mr Pixie here didn't appear to be critisizing in my book either.
Rude!

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@MikeyC, Tomas

Why is this degenerating into a discussion about 'camps' (red, blue, etc)?

There are plenty of naysayers for the X-1000 in all parts of the community (including the OS4.x part), and plenty of supporters in all parts of the community.

In my opinion you are far too quick to apportion blame to a 'camp' which consists of as broad a variety of people as any other 'camp.'

These arguements have been irrelevent for years, and as far as I can see the only people sustaining them are the self-appointed defenders such as yourself (and your opposite numbers in the other parts of the community) who believe you are defending your OS against attack.

AmigaOS, AROS and MorphOS share a common history, but have diverged to the point that they stand alone, with no need to refer to the other OSes for a frame of reference.

Be happy.

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@Boot_WB
I am not a defended at all. In fact i will probably more likely get a mac system to run MOS on sometime in the future.
I have also criticized the price point and lack of things like decent GFX drivers.
My problem is that some people seem to bash absolutely everything related to OS4.x and it is nearly always the same few names.

@Tomas

Point taken, it's just as someone who belongs to all 'camps' as it were, I find it frustrating when the whole 'camp' is collectively blamed for the predictable rhetoric of a few individuals. This seems to happen from all sides and, as you rightly observe, tends to be the same people each time.

Unfortunately, since a few within each 'camp' react to this trolling/baiting/whatever with equally predictable rhetoric each time (blaming the whole 'other camp' for example), the cycle just continues.

These seem to be the only people keeping this crap going, nobody else really cares anymore as they're all too busy enjoying using whichever flavour(s) of OS floats their boat.

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@Boot_WB
I think it is only a few select few that wants stir up trouble for no reason.
Sadly it is also those who are most visible.
OS4 "camp" have a few of those as well.

You perhaps misunderstand me. I have nothing against AROS or MOS at all

See my earlier point regarding riding on someone else's coat tails.

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I tell you what I find pathetic. Pathetic how every time AmigaOS gets a mention on a news site, the MOS and AROS community have to go in and try and steal some of the limelight, because the users can't get together to create the same sort of Buzz or indeed, get together and attend computing events as their own community instead of hanging on to Hyperion's Coat tails because they are not able to make it on their own That, is pathetic. Prove me wrong, at the next Amiga event, have your own areas.

This post? That is not exactly the most respectful tone is it, really? Would you like to be spoken about like that, and how would you respond?

And, forgive me if I was under the impression that the Amiga 25th Anniversary event was open to all flavours: old, new, parallel, emulated...

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By now we should all know that Kronos has a fettish to be somewhat negative.

Depends on you definition of 'negative' I still think it would be the best thing for the Amiga as open and free platform if all current IP owners went bankrupt. Freedom for Amiga, that would be something positive. Ok we can discuss this next year when the A1Xk1 hype is over.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=31763&forum=2
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=31239&forum=4

And this thread was started by a naysayer who sees something negative in free speech.

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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

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I still think it would be the best thing for the Amiga as open and free platform

And I don't believe in that any single second. See how much there have been disagreeing and hatred inside and around these "community" forums past many years.

@amigang
You have some typos in your anim.

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the efforts from people like me, A-EON. ACUBE or Hyperion.

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yep saw the naysayer on there soo fast with the normal dribble & misinformation

saying things like: not AmigaOS , not a real Amiga etc. just the normal crap from ppl who dont know better & want to be considered equal to the real thing & steal the lime light.

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@ Mikey_C

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I tell you what I find pathetic. Pathetic how every time AmigaOS gets a mention on a news site, the MOS and AROS community have to go in and try and steal some of the limelight, because the users can't get together to create the same sort of Buzz or indeed, get together and attend computing events as their own community instead of hanging on to Hyperion's Coat tails because they are not able to make it on their own That, is pathetic. Prove me wrong, at the next Amiga event, have your own areas.

Well Mikey, sometimes it is very hard to promote Amiga that presents itself to public with underpowered platforms and usually overpriced too...

I am a MOS user and I also promote any Amiga-like solutions on italian forums, but it is very hard to answer objections of people saying "WHAT! 1500 bucks? Are you crazy in Amiga?"....

And I must explain that AONE X-1000 is aimed at mainly at core users and that a certain number of it will be a great appeal for power developers to develop again for Amiga any software that needs big horsepower to run.

Then I must suggest AROS as a free solution to test an Amiga-like solution.

Sure it is a pain to suffer such critics, and be forced to explain there are other solutions.

It is harsh, but it is the only solution to save the face sometimes.

Also I suggest many times MorphOS as a modern alternative for Macintosh PPC users that are stuck on MacOSX Leopard that is the last PPC version, and I suggest them to try it as a still ongoing PPC OS.

If only there was a middle-market solution line an AmigaONE X-500 offering the X-1000 features but without Xena and other bonus thingies, and costing around 500/700 Euro then it will be welcome, and it will receive more welcome by people outside Amiga community, that are very skeptical and often laugh at us.

Also you are unaware how much I desire to see a new ACube brand platform, maybe produced in China to keep the prices low, with basic specs, but modern ones, and running ontop of a 1,5 GHz G4 processor and priced just around 299/399 Euro.

Then Amiga and its platforms and its prices could be presented to people worldwide without feeling a sense of shame.

(Yes literally shame)

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@ Amigang

Please use antialias fonts in you .gif animation... Or keep the compression rate low. Fonts are too much squared!

And please remove that lame motto:

"Remember when computing was fun?"

It is a lame, and loser motto.

It always seems to me that people must remember old days and be stuck with it, and that Amiga has not developed, updated and modernized in the meanwhile...

Replace the motto by adding this line:

"Remember when computing was fun? It is fun again!"

It sounds better, don't you think so? Uhm?

Or better use this:

"And now computing is fun again!

Well this last one sounds even better!

Sure people who created "Remember when computing was fun?" have no idea of advertising communication, and have a great sense of self-destruction.

We must give prople a sense of Amiga coming back with something that never changed, but that was a very killing solution (that is its AmigaOS Operating System, the very friendly OS and it must be presented as the real bonus of the whole Amiga platforms), and also give to public the sense that Amiga evolved into a new powerful incarnation!

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@BootWB

Sorry. No. You are mistaken. It was mainly about Amiga not the alternatives although both were represented. It is interesting how you select my post on its own without taking into context the posts addressed to me previously. Are you perhaps being selective?

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@BootWB Sorry. No. You are mistaken. It was mainly about Amiga not the alternatives although both were represented.

Perhaps you could point me towards the organisers' literature explaining that this event is about AmigaOS4 only, and not OS3.x, OS2.x (under emulation or native), Scalos, MorphOS, AROS, Amithlon. No minimigs?

Mikey_C, since the whole event was under the banner of 'Amiga' (not AmigaOne) it seems to me that everyone has the right to benefit from any glow of nostalgia from Amiga's glory days.
You seem to be unreasonably attempting to hijack the event for the exclusive promotion of your own narrow interests. Amiga is as much part of the history of MorphOS, AROS, etc as it is for any other, and they have as much right as you do to attend the event.

Note that it was the 'Amiga 25th...' not the 'AmigaOS 25th...' or 'AmigaOne 25th...'

Perhaps, as you so politely suggested others to do, you could organise your own event (eg AmigaOne 10 year event?). Even as part of a larger 'Amiga' event this would be possible - oh wait, we've just had that and are commenting on the 'postitive' news article about it.

I also not that it took you three posts in this 'positive' news article to actually write something positive. Perhaps this is something on which you should reflect.

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It is interesting how you select my post on its own without taking into context the posts addressed to me previously. Are you perhaps being selective?

Not at all, in fact I modified my post to comment on your disrespectful 'tone' rather than 'language' exactly because the word 'pathetic' was used by way of reply to its use by someone else. No-one chose your tone for you though.

I also notive that the use of the word 'pathetic' wasn't even in a post directed towards you, it was in reply to Framiga. Please see my post above re: self-appointed defender.

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