Do I remember correctly that someone is developing some new classic emulation for AOS4?
With the access to original code files, I imagine it would be doable/"easy" task (unlike re-writing EUAE to fly on SAM440ep).


UPDATE: (me and my grazy ideas)
Make screensaver out of this!

Every AOS4 release could then have a up-to-date show of it's history.


UPDATE: The video is addictive I'm watching it now in slow motion / frame by frame

... 20 people working with AOS4 code files during 1H/2010... interesting.
...ASMP work visible anywhere??? (some bigger movement starting at the end of the show???)

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Thanks for both videos!

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With the access to original code files, I imagine it would be doable/"easy" task

Don't get your hopes too high. Having the source code does not mean that it can be used to build working executable code, ROMs, shell commands, and utilities. You have to get the code into shape, even build the tools needed for building the code.

Have a look at the visualization, around 2:07 minutes into the movie, which corresponds to July 1997. Notice the "olsen" user zipping around the tree until about March 2002? It took a really long time to 1) make the whole AmigaOS 3.1 code build again and 2) fit the RCS files into a CVS tree structure.

Also, the source code changes checked in by the Amiga and Commodore engineers are not necessarily contiguous. Which means that you cannot go back, step by step, from AmigaOS 3.1 and arrive at the AmigaOS 2.0 version of the same code, or for that matter, earlier versions. There are gaps in the timeline.

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Without the Amiga users, there would be no AmigaOS4, AROS or MorphOS. So you should thank all instead of publishing a video taking one side only.

As has been said multiple times in multiple places, this video was about the development of AmigaOS, not any "branch" of it. Whether those are important or not is completely irrelevant in the context of this video that was documenting AmigaOS releases and machines, and some cornerstones of the developments that lead to the current situation.

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You haven't mentioned Draco the Amiga 68k clone neither.

There was also no mention of the Walker

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"Notice the "olsen" user zipping around the tree until about March 2002? It took a really long time to 1) make the whole AmigaOS 3.1 code build again and 2) fit the RCS files into a CVS tree structure."





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About my previous post
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about those 31000 files of AOS....
Does it compile on AOS4 machine?
Can it be built with just one command?
What's the compilation time on SAM440ep with 512M?
-"- on A1 G3 800Mhz?
-"- on A1 G4 1000Mhz?
-"- on A1x1k ?
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well, nice video, but it will not convince me all alone to get any new hardware for =>os4.1 as well as it will not document the os4 legitimity in my eyes anymore than i am aware of it at the moment.

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he context of this video that was documenting AmigaOS releases and machines, and some cornerstones of the developments that lead to the current situation.

You are sort of bending the truth there.

"AmigaOS" has never even been an official trademark. It certainly was never used by Commodore.

The closest thing may have been AmigaDOS. Amiga Technologies used "Amiga OS 3.1 Workbench" after Commodores death.


I think Bill McEwen gave you a perpetual world wide license to something that never existed nor that they even had a trademark on.

Oh well.

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I think Bill McEwen gave you a perpetual world wide license to something that never existed nor that they even had a trademark on.

I will give you little history course...

Name "AmigaOS" (or more often "Amiga OS") is commonly used from early 1990s (look at usenet discussions from 1990/1991). See eg. this thread from May 1990. Here Dave Haynie speaks about "Amiga OS" in May 1989. To cite also Andy Finkel (December 1986): "let's discuss the misuse of the term AmigaDos to describe the
entire Amiga OS. That should be interesting, yea, that's the ticket."

Any questions?

@Pavlor

Thanks, that saves me the trouble of explaining the difference between a trademark and copyrighted source-code.

Whatever it was called, it is still based on the same codebase stretching back to 1985.

That is a simple and verifiabe fact.

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AmigaOS" has never even been an official trademark.

Wrong. The official, payed, box in the shelf behind me says "Amiga OS 3.1" in big red letters. Some centimeters below it says "Commodore".

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You are sort of bending the truth there.

Obviously you'd never do something as dastardly as to try to mislead people.

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"AmigaOS" has never even been an official trademark. It certainly was never used by Commodore.

Before you say Village Tronic, who do you think licensed it?

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Amiga Technologies used "Amiga OS 3.1 Workbench" after Commodores death.

Every single one of those links is a forum post with some "indvidual" saying "Amiga OS".

Not sure how that relates to "AmigaOS"

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I fail to see "AmigaOS" in any of those pictures.

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Quote: Every single one of those links is a forum post with some "indvidual" saying "Amiga OS".

I hope you know who are Andy Finkel and Dave Haynie...

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Not sure how that relates to "AmigaOS"

There are other threads, where "AmigaOS" is used. However, Hyperion uses also "Amiga OS" for its product (see software licence agreement during the installation of OS4.1). And of course, September 30 Settlement Agreement allows Hyperion to use both names ("AmigaOS" and "Amiga OS"), did you read it?

Your first picture is a great example of what I am talking about.

"Amiga" Operating System.

That is an operating system for an "Amiga".

Sadly Hyperion has no OS for an Amiga. Just the use of a name that AI or Hyperion made up "Amigaos"? Never heard of it.

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Sadly Hyperion has no OS for an Amiga

Really? Then I must have dreamed of seeing an A1200 and an A4000 running with AmigaOS4.0...

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It runs on a PPC card and does not use the Amiga cpu. Sad but true AmigaOS != Amiga

Check your trademarks and copyrights. Amiga Inc., owns nothing related to "Amiga", "Amiga Operating System", nor "AmigaOS".

Hyperion got scammed.

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You are funny. And my AmigaOS3.x runs on a 68040 Blizzard by phase5.

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@AmigaHeretic

This news item must really hurt you...

I appreciate your sense for logic. "Original", but I like it.

Yes, but your copy of 3.x runs on an "Amiga".

If I hook up a small x86 board inside my A3000 and hook up some pins, Windows 7 doesn't magically become an Amiga Operating System

Can you show me an "Amiga" that runs Hyperion "amigaos" that doesn't require a 3rd party CPU?

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