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Software News   Software News : DiscreetFX Celebrates Sixteen Years of Existence - Launches Project Metropolis
   posted by DiscreetFX on 5-Jun-2011 5:06:48 (7752 reads)
PRESS RELEASE

Date: June 6th, 2011


This announcement already went out by telegraph on accident and is burning up the wires so we are also releasing it here one day early. To Celebrate it's 16th Birthday DiscreetFX is once again helping the Amiga community by Launching Project Metropolis.

http://www.discreetfx.com/ProjectMetropolis.html


What is Project Metropolis you might ask? It is a Instant Download Application Storefront for Amiga OS 4.x, MorphOS, AROS and Classic Amiga. We will not only sell our own applications there, we will sell 3rd party programs as well. A very generous revenue share has been setup for the developer and is paid monthly.

3rd Party developer gets 80%

DiscreetFX gets 20%

The application approval process is very easy and the market will decide which apps are good or bad not DiscreetFX. Now, finally customers will have a central place to buy and Instantly Download their Amiga OS 4.x, MorphOS, AROS and Classic Amiga apps. Developers can focus on creating their great applications and even games, then be confidant users will actually see them since there will be a quick cloud based solution for customers to buy them.

Welcome to the unified future of buying all your Amiga Os 4.x, MorphOS, AROS & Classic Amiga commercial applications in one place. Free programs are of course available from AmiNet like they have been for many years.

If you are a developer and wish to contact us about this venture please use the link below. Great developers and DiscreetFX partnering together is what will make this a fantastic success.

http://www.discreetfx.com/contact.html


About DiscreetFX


Want to see DiscreetFX’s effects software in action? Turn on your television, we have been creating visual effects software products for editors and creative professionals for over 15 years. DiscreetFX creates Real-time transitions and effects seen on over 100 television programs including Blind Date, 5th Wheel, Shipmates and many more! You can also see DiscreetFX software used on the following networks HBO, Showtime, Discovery Channel, PBS, Fox and more!

DiscreetFX is privately owned visual effects startup and based in Chicago, Illinois. For more information, please visit:

www.discreetfx.com
    

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Re: DiscreetFX Celebrates Sixteen Years of Existence - Launc
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Maybe we were wrong to not have a client app for the launch of Project Metropolis. If that proves to be the case as time goes on then we will make one. It would have to be for six operating systems. What does everyone think? Do we need a Project Motropolis App? Please let your opinion be known.

http://www.discreetfx.com/contact.html

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http://www.discreetfx.com/contact.html

In my opinion, when you target users of Amiga(like) systems, encapsulating mail form into Flash is not very customer friendly design decision.

Personally I do not see the point of using Flash for the purpose at all.


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I agree with you, we will be migrating off Flash soon.


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That's already in the works. It's not live just yet but the URL =

http://project-metropolis.com/


Sorry, but page are bad. I not say about design even , i just about main links and stuff ! When user press on project-metropolis banner, then user redirected to non-amiga related products. Why ? Its project for amiga users, or just for PR died company ? All the links put you not on amiga -related stuff, but all about disctretfx.. and well ...all what i can say, its the same what Krashan already say: its all just looks like PR for making few $.

For now its looking un-professional. I was in hope that your all guys (which call yourself a "company" ) pay for making normal site, pay to designer for making good page, ask for betatesting, i.e. do everything professionaly. But for now, for me, it looks like just "hey hey ! let's buy one more copy of alladding 5.0 and promote discretfx for making in google more pages about".

Idea, to have some centralized, commercical app-store for all the amiga apps for all the oses are nice , but current realisation are very, very unprofessional. Of course tons of fanboys will say you "good work" on everything, but you can be sure, to attract real and in clear mind developers , you will need more than just page + paypal.

Its really, very enough to have just 1 small logo of discretx on page, and no need all those links at "home" and "company" promote. "HOME" , should be home of project, not home of disctrefx site. Company promotin should be professionaly done - just when user click on small image of "discretfx" it will redirect on the site. All the other buttons and stuff, all should be related to amiga stuff , not to company and they PR. Its just like you try to put in our face all that crap with music to buy (holy-shmoly).

Everyhitng should be categored, catologuezed, well designed and programmed.

For now, all what we all can - its just wait another 3-6 months, to see, how it will all looks in end, but for now, my imho, that all was just some kind of fast PR with those usuall messages about nothing :(

Guys, you all in amiga stuff for years, did you not know what expect and what need to do if you start to do ? If you call yourself a company, if you make such newses and messages, why not just pay 200$ for making more or less fine site ? I mean new site, normal one, specially for project (if of course, that project its done with good idea in mind, and not for just bad PR of company).

And why you not contact with developers who actually want to sold something (like with warpDt , ibrowse atuhors, with Krashan, with any active developers on any of our OSes) to ask them if they want to sold their stuff ? For now its only your old stuff , which no one in interest to buy anymore (i.e. you not show that you in interest about amiga users-developers, its show that you in interest to sold old aladdin).

Well .. i even think that its all not worth of writing , because everyone know all of this. My imho its just you just want to sold one more copy of aladin5 and that strange-music-pack-who-no-one-buy, right ?:)

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@kas1e

The Project Metropolis Logo was not suppose to be clickable, thanx that has been fixed. We are not against having a designer change the site around. Thanx for your feedback, it is appreciated.


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@DiscreetFX
Despite all the moaning here, I hope you won't take it badly. It is SO easy for someone to say "you should do better"... but you will note that most of those here have never even tried running a business. I don't think they have a clue.

Sure, development of Aladdin v6 is taking much longer than anyone would want, but I wonder how many here have any idea how much this kind of thing costs to do? Programmers don't typically work for free!

I expect that your Amiga stuff is funded by non-Amiga stuff, and as such has to be done on a very small budget. People should be HAPPY you are still trying to do something Amiga related. I mean, I don't think you've conned anyone yet (unlike a certain company I won't mention *cough* Inc).

Obviously Project Metropolis is a "Work In Progress (TM)". If people want to use it, then you will be able to justify spending more time & effort on it. But if they only complain & ignore it, then you can cut your losses without going bankrupt.

Just as long as you can listen to any constructive (and realistic) criticisms, then I personally don't see a problem...

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@ChrisH

No worries, we take any feedback both positive and especially negative to improve our process. It helps us to better serve our customers. We have added a "beta" tag to the Project Metropolis site to better illustrate that it is a work in progress. Contrary to popular belief of a few we don't really care if Aladdin 4D 5.x sells on the new site or not. We really really want version 6.0 to be done but DiscreetFX Labs has not completed it yet.

Regardless, Project Metropolis is envisioned as a central hub for programmers of AmigaOS, MorphOS & AROS 3rd party applications to reach their customers from one easy to use Cloud based storefront. Of course some programs will still be sold direct from the developers and or a brick and mortar store. What we are doing just gives another choice to help grow the developer and user community again.

Any and all feedback is always welcome and we take no offense.


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but you will note that most of those here have never even tried running a business. I don't think they have a clue.

In fact most of expected Metropolis customers have never even tried running a business. And this fact does not disable their right for criticism. You sound like a car manufacturer stating "Our cars are perfect. If someone says otherwise and is not an engineer able to build a better car in his garage, he just has no clue, let's ignore him". DiscreetFX announced their webpage as a web store, and for sure have known, people will associate it with things like AppStore and AndroidMarket. Expectations have been built intentionally, then they have been confronted with rather poor reality. Surprised with the wave of criticism? You should not be.

People should be HAPPY you are still trying to do something Amiga related.

Are you serious? If someone fails to deliver his promises, why should I be happy? This is the main problem with Project Metropolis. The marketing hype has been raised too high. Not the first time, as fas as I remember. Not a tragedy, but negative opinions (sometimes exaggerated, like kas1e post) are to be expected.

But if they only complain & ignore it, then you can cut your losses without going bankrupt.

As a "bedroom programmer" I can only ignore it in its current state. Maybe I'm just out of the project's scope. But what losses are you talking about? Adding a simple static page to the site can't cost more than twenty dollars or so...

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Not talking about design flaws, lack of apps,... I'll believe in your good intentions the day you open a store *without a single* old Amiga product you bought and are trying to resell for *years* (ie: Aladdin)...


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@ChrisH

I think i should to add:

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People should be HAPPY you are still trying to do something Amiga related.


When i will understand, that all amiga users and developers, HAPPY because of "something related to amiga", i will burn that piece of junk, and will never-ever remember what amiga is that. For me , and for many normall users, who want to see amiga (amigaos4 in my case) at least usable in current age and time , "something" its 100% not enough. And when i will understand that everything amiga related its "something" , i will be very happy to burn all that ####, and never visit any amiga related sites.

But good that we still have criticized ppls, who will point on the problems, erros, bugs and unprofessionalism. And still some good developers, like krashan, piru, fab, karlos, salas00, thomas and some others which name i do not remember now are here, its still intersting to use and works with all that amiga stuff.

When all the developers, project designers, users, and expectually (and its very important to highligh) _COMPANYS_, will do "something" which can do any child in the 14 years, without anything pointed on proffesionalism , then you can be sure amiga users base will just full of fanboys and clowns.

I think we all should be happy that there is still some constructive critics present, and all those constructive so called trolls.

For me its very easy to be blind fanboy and say for everythinkg "good work!" , "thanks!" , because that all says only those persons , who in reality normally not worry and not use amiga stuff at all. And only see in it some pure secta-fanclub.

ps. And just to add : i have my own business, and working with ppls who do normal internet-releated business. So you can be sure, project metropolis it this current form its nothing.

But, i , as others, with them luck. But as i see how it all was started, i give you 95% its all will die on the current stage.

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@kas1e Quote:
For me , and for many normall users, who want to see amiga (amigaos4 in my case) at least usable in current age and time , "something" its 100% not enough

Of course I would like more than just "something", but you are seeming to ask for 100% right & professional on first day... while forgetting that this Amiga market is small, and we often cannot afford to do that.

It sounds like you say that DiscreetFX/etc should not even BOTHER trying, because they don't have enough money to do it to your high standards? Personally I would rather they produce something, even if not very good, and then gradually improve it.

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I think we all should be happy that there is still some constructive critics present, and all those constructive so called trolls.

I am NOT complaining about CONSTUCTIVE criticism, I am complaining about blind & foolish crticism. Constuctive criticism has these features:
(1) The complaint is accompanied with a suggestion how it could be solved.
(2) The suggestion could be realistically achieved. Examples of non-realistic suggestions, including ones that require spending far more time & money than is available.
(3) The suggestion should not be repeat what others have said.
(4) The person writes in a calm & polite manner, and does not rant.


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@g_kraszewski Quote:
In fact most of expected Metropolis customers have never even tried running a business. And this fact does not disable their right for criticism.

Of course not. My objection was that some of the criticisms were not REALISTIC, because they did not account for business reality.

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If someone fails to deliver his promises

What exactly have they failed to deliver? They promised a basic App Store, which is still in development, and that is exactly what we got.

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But what losses are you talking about? Adding a simple static page to the site can't cost more than twenty dollars or so...

Exactly. If they had done a full-blown Apple-style App Store, with web pages dynamically generated in real time by the server, then they WOULD have gone bankrupt. As it is, they won't loose much if people don't want to use it.

The point is it can be improved to something better... if people don't just moan all the time, thus causing a negative atmosphere that drives people away from using it, and so kills it before it has even had a chance.

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