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Hardware News   Hardware News : Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
   posted by BigBentheAussie on 19-Dec-2011 19:44:52 (56311 reads)
Commodore USA has a final challenge for this community that could enable them to have a new Commodore AMIGA with absolutely any of the features they want. We are serious about this, and we hope you will also take this offer seriously too, and contribute positively to the fruition of the Commodore AMIGA dream.

Allow me to outline our final challenge to the community, and how we can work together towards a unifying goal.
I have a list of obligations for the parties.


1. The community must definitively decide, through polls or whatever, what exactly it wants a Commodore AMIGA from Commodore USA to be.
2. Commodore USA will build and/or sell all product/s that will bear the official Commodore AMIGA brand.
3. Commodore USA will sell the first batch of a particular product AT (THEIR) COST to pre-paid customers only.
4. A minimum of 500 customers must pre-pay the entire amount in an independent account at a trusted institution (at the community's discretion) for the project to begin.
5. Commodore USA will negotiate for all required technology, be it software or hardware, and such costs will be divided by the amount of customers in the initial batch. So the more that join in, the lower the overall cost.
6. Commodore USA will outline all the costs, in as much detail as they are able to, before any customers make payment.
7. Commodore USA is ONLY paid on completion of the work to the satisfaction of the 500+ first batch customers, when the final product is ready to ship.
8. On project commencement, Commodore USA will provide monthly project updates until completion.
9. If Commodore USA does not perform the required work in 6 months of the project commencement date, then the 500+ customers have the option to withdraw immediately for a full refund of their prepayment.
10. Commodore USA reserve the right to affix a margin, at their discretion, to future sales of the product/s, past the initial batch.
11. The community will nominate two independent representatives or leaders who will liaise more closely with Commodore USA and report back to the community.
12. Sometimes negotiations require an NDA, that would limit public consumption of exact costs. In such circumstances that an NDA is required, the two nominated representatives of the community, who will also be under NDA, can independently verify such costs.
13. There will be no advertising of the product or its components by Commodore USA until project commencement.
14. In the meantime, Commodore USA will potentially continue with its current x86 based Commodore AMIGA plans, that will co-exist with the community's desired Commodore AMIGA branded product/s.

Warmest Regards,
Leo Nigro
Chief Technology Officer
Commodore USA, LLC
lan@commodoreusa.net
www.CommodoreUSA.net
    

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
Posted on 20-Dec-2011 11:23:36
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@SHADES

Why are you talking about AROS, in reply to my comment about AmigaOS 3.x?
Do you mean that Hyperion will sue and obstruct bundling some hardware with AmigaOS 3.9, a product that is already on the market and available for buying for everyone who wants it?

But since you mention it, I also find it extremely tasteless that Hyperion will attack someone promoting AROS. Hyperion should concentrate on improving their own product instead of trying to sabotage community efforts. Are they so desperate and afraid to be out-competed by the Amiga community?

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Dunno. it's not relevant because that's the debate here.
Is it going to run AMIGA OS yes/no
You're right, it won't fit everyone. it's the start of the debate and will kill some people cause it's "the question"

1. Amiga Os
2. Linux
3. AROS
4. MOS
5. Windows
6. QNX
7. Android
8. My uncles armpit

If it is to run Amiga OS, then well, some of those OS won't make the cut regardless of who loves them or not. i bet a few in this Community left and went to Windows. shall we include them too??
How about the Linux users? want them in the boat?, no, QNX? BeOS?? no, well how about MOS oooohh, now we are getting closer.

crunch time.

some won't be happy here, maybe even me. but a decision has to be made and start somewhere.


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This whole thread is all a bit odd nearly 200 replies in less than 24 hours and for what !!!

We all know the sordid history between CUSA & the Amiga community so it begs the question WHY !!!

I mean would you even trust giving your credit card or bank details to a company who's owner is quite happy to post peoples PM's / emails publicly, think of what he could do with those if he has another funny turn...

CUSA can get Leo to ask the community all they want and Leo might be genuine in this but honestly would you really like to see CUSA doing anything Amiga when it's owner cannot be trusted one single bit in my view...

It seems to me like you'd be putting the family jewels in the hands of Ronnie Biggs... or leaving the bar to be run by an alcoholic...


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@SHADES

What? You do not know why you started talking about AROS in a reply to my suggestion of using AmigaOS 3.x? Or what is it that you don't know?

AmigaOS 3.x is 100% AmigaOS, so my question was a very valid and on-topic one. So I am not sure that I follow your reasoning at all.

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Poster: SHADES Date: 20-Dec-2011 11:14:35

I don't agree.

It won't fill all camps.

Hyperion OWN the AMIGA Os title.

So a poll will need to be made.

AMIGA OS or not. simple.

It needs to be decided. Here's the fact.

Hardware and all other things aside, foget about feelings, forget about cudos, who put in work, who didn't.

Hyperion own the OS, so, with that FACT in mind, know they say yes or no, can we get a poll up to decide if we, the amiga community are going to make it AMIGA os, or debate that tillwe all die of old age.

forget everything else. Hyperion get that say


Don't forget that this is purely fantasy at this stage, a "what if?" exercise. No harm in saying "What if Hyperion allow it"... I'm sure if that were the case and it was fully compatible with existing OS4 / OS3 software, they'd sell a good few machines.


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I must be crazy, but I suddenly find myself on the same side of the asylum fence as Franko! Someone shoot me please...


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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
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@Franko

Well, I can answer your post, though it pains me to do so.

A.) Cause you won't make me AMIGA OS.

If i can't use AMIGA OS, why is anything else you said relevant to me. I don't care if it's Genisis, microsoft, Apple, Transmeta, the car wash down the road, who took my $50 coupon, it's all BS.
People got burnt. yeah, even me. So what, let everyone else just bitch and moan and get nothing and AMIGA just dies or splits in to so many fragments no one even cares? how is that even remotely useful.

Make me AMIGA OS Franko. You will need to talk to Hyperion to sell it. oh. boo hoo here we go again. want a T shirt?

seriously. it's a simple way forward, even if it's bogus, even if it doesn't happen again...at worst we end up in the same place we are now.


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@Daedalus

yep, could be all Bull sh#t

But look at us now! we can't even decide if it will run AMIGA OS! lol

What hope does anyone have of getting didily done ;)

simple question, more than fair!

the owners will have to be involved lol like it or not.


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So CUSA, that Linux Atom PC didn't sell, eh?

Colour me completely and utterly baffled*cough*.

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@Channel_Z

Easy.

Sell me AMIGA OS 3.9 with the new box.

Oh? what's that? you need to ask Hyperion if you can?

And there is why. That's why.

That's all

So, regardless if you see Amiga Os as 3.9, MOS, QNX, a Linux mashup or, my uncles armpit, if it will run AMIGA OS, then, fine. What variety comes next. 3.9 (no development) 4...hyperion..... AROS...hyperion....etc

If it is 3.9 like you say, then we need Hyperion involved because, they own the name, the IP of AMIGA OS unless you will code or someone else will code 3.9 up for the new platform, OR you want to only run legacy, noting new, 3.9 is not going to be developed. AROS tried to develop 3.9 but, oh wait, there's hyperion again.

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@ddni
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I must be crazy, but I suddenly find myself on the same side of the asylum fence as Franko! Someone shoot me please...


Same as me :) I even think to answer him something like "because we all hope that its the very last cusa thread". So, why not check all that cusa stuff one and last time :)

What is funny, its that some of ppls here who say about complainers and moaners, really (i mean really) think that something (and not hot air) will done from that. Some of users can be foolish all the time by exactly the same classic ways, like they have no expirience at all. Did they think, that company who start like cusa, and who do not want to take any risk will deserve something ? How they think, that if person reacts as he reacts all the time, in one moment, will change himself and will in one time new person ? Its still the same cusa.


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How they think, that if person reacts as he reacts all the time, in one moment, will change himself and will in one time new person ? Its still the same cusa.


Yeah yeah. more of the same. Why not choose microsoft for your next comment.
Seriously, dog with a bone. just can't let go

How about this. Don't think of them as CUSA if it helps, if not, fund a better alternative. Hey, i know, let's petition Richard Branson! he has the money!

Still need to decide if it will only run Classic OS (1x-3.x) in which case, the OS go no further than 3.9

AROS built on that but still needs hyperion.

Take the chance the thread means something and try build AMIGa instead of more of the same old he hurt me, she poked me, I lost my coupon blahh blahh bahh this whole community has turned to.


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@SHADES
I can't follow your logic. What you trying to say ? We already do what we do, without cusa (and why you say about microsoft at all ?). We already have all our ways, and we already have all other problems to solve.

Topic about cusa. And cusa do nothing, and will do nothing, because its still the same persons.

What amiga to build ? Are you serius ?


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Let Hyperion be the OS partners and ACUBE be the hardware manufacturer....Both as OEM and CUSA be the front end company responsible for: - marketing - handling sales operations through channel partners - funding software projects and creating a market place. We need software like Office, Image Processing, Audio, Video.... A good hardware project will be state of the art HD TOASTER.


But then you're still making slow machines based on PPC chips (the platform is long dead to the rest of the world), there's no point in marketing a PPC based platform which will be vastly over-priced and lacks even simple features as memory protection.

Basically you're just making a second X1000, cute machine for the rich Amiga-hobbyists but a PC at 1/4 the price would be a better choice for the rest of the world.

The only way to move forward is to find cheaper hardware (x86 or ARM at a push), then bring our OS over and update it so it has the standards people expect, although being x86 would presumably make porting Open Office, Java etc. easier than currently.

AROS already has a good foundation, but we also need OS4's benefits and abilities to run 68K and PPC apps seamlessly.

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Topic about cusa. And cusa do nothing, and will do nothing, because its still the same persons. What amiga to build ? Are you serius ?


Forget about persons!!!!! for once rotten second!!!
Even if it Was Bill Gates himself, here, making a thread, saying he'll build an AMIGA, OS and all, whatever you like, or apple, or NASA!!1 whoever. it makes no difference.

Yes, I'm serious! lol

I'm sorry you don't understand.

Just decide!

it's simple.

Do you want an AMIGA. a new AMIGA. computer. from scratch. new. "FORGET HOW " answer the question!

If Yes, tick A
If no, tick B

If you tick A Proceed to next step.

Will it run AMIGA OS

if yes, tick A
if no, tick B

If you tick B, go back to AW and make a thread on how CUSA killed MY marriage and you lost your T shirt
If you chose A, go to next step. Debate AMIGA OS. What do you see as AMIGA OS, what will the new box run.

AMIGA OS 3.9
AMIGA OS 4
MOS
Linux/AMIGA
QNX
HP UX
BE OS

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Lets vote if CUSA's new machine should be able run Amiga OS (AOS3, AOS4, MOS, AROS) or will it be a standard PC with an emulator, as SHADES suggested.

After the poll I would be interested hearing from CUSA what's their hardware (and software) solution.

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Lets vote if CUSA's new machine should be able run Amiga OS (AOS3, AOS4, MOS, AROS) or will it be a standard PC with an emulator, as SHADES suggested. After the poll I would be interested hearing from CUSA what's their hardware (and software) solution.


Finally!!!!! -ROFL

If we do get that far, how about we even debate the hardware we want lolz. just putting it out there ;)

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@Franko

Well, I can answer your post, though it pains me to do so.

A.) Cause you won't make me AMIGA OS.

If i can't use AMIGA OS, why is anything else you said relevant to me. I don't care if it's Genisis, microsoft, Apple, Transmeta, the car wash down the road, who took my $50 coupon, it's all BS.
People got burnt. yeah, even me. So what, let everyone else just bitch and moan and get nothing and AMIGA just dies or splits in to so many fragments no one even cares? how is that even remotely useful.

Make me AMIGA OS Franko. You will need to talk to Hyperion to sell it. oh. boo hoo here we go again. want a T shirt?

seriously. it's a simple way forward, even if it's bogus, even if it doesn't happen again...at worst we end up in the same place we are now.



Send me... oh I don't know... let's say one million quid and gimme about 18 months (not including any delays and other mishaps) and I'll make you a personal AmigaOS and I won't be bothered what Hyperion or anyone says...

If you want a T-Shirt that will of course cost extra...

Thing is... not sure if you know this or not CUSA aint making an AmigaOS, oh they may call it that but it won't be a real AmigaOS like 4.0, 3.9 etc... it'll just be some linux or mint package or maybe even an Amiga emulator written in C64 Basic...

I never got burnt (too wise) so if you wanna hand over your credit card or bank details to either me or Barry, I'm pretty sure you can get burnt again and as you say end up in the same place you are now...


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[...]Don't think of them as CUSA if it helps, if not, fund a better alternative[...]


Problem is that CUSA won't fund anything. The expenses will be carried out (fully) by the community, divided by 500 (the people of pre-order). The *only* two things they will do is to stick the name and act as a liaison between the community (the fund), the hardware and software houses involved. Reread the businesses proposition they made. If the product gets mature and/or if it has an appeal outside of the amiga community, to a larger market audience, then CUSA retains for herself the right to sell it, thus profiting, without having a single steak of risk in the whole process. If someone had proposed or showed me a similar business plan, in my real life/work, I would call him an idiot or scum.


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Do you want an AMIGA. a new AMIGA. computer. from scratch. new. "FORGET HOW " answer the question!


Simple answer: no.

Not simple one: no, because cusa involved. no, because amiga is dead at end of 90x, no, because we have enough of new amigas already, no, because we have a lot of splitting already, no, because to do something about which danwood say , will be unpossible to do fast, and expectually when cusa involved, no, because that all looks and sounds plainly un-serius and un-proffesional. So, no and no. And because of this, all that disusssions its just classic hot air.

Professional, will just do everything rigth, they will put money in, they will attract developers, they will not ask for prepays, they will not talk on forums as cusa talks (and yes, still about cusa, because topic about it, but not about some dreams or funny hopes of amiga-reborning), proffesionals will do good sites and will not stole images.

Its not enough for you still, and you still want "polls" ? One more thread on front page from cusa ?


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