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Hardware News   Hardware News : Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
   posted by BigBentheAussie on 19-Dec-2011 19:44:52 (54905 reads)
Commodore USA has a final challenge for this community that could enable them to have a new Commodore AMIGA with absolutely any of the features they want. We are serious about this, and we hope you will also take this offer seriously too, and contribute positively to the fruition of the Commodore AMIGA dream.

Allow me to outline our final challenge to the community, and how we can work together towards a unifying goal.
I have a list of obligations for the parties.


1. The community must definitively decide, through polls or whatever, what exactly it wants a Commodore AMIGA from Commodore USA to be.
2. Commodore USA will build and/or sell all product/s that will bear the official Commodore AMIGA brand.
3. Commodore USA will sell the first batch of a particular product AT (THEIR) COST to pre-paid customers only.
4. A minimum of 500 customers must pre-pay the entire amount in an independent account at a trusted institution (at the community's discretion) for the project to begin.
5. Commodore USA will negotiate for all required technology, be it software or hardware, and such costs will be divided by the amount of customers in the initial batch. So the more that join in, the lower the overall cost.
6. Commodore USA will outline all the costs, in as much detail as they are able to, before any customers make payment.
7. Commodore USA is ONLY paid on completion of the work to the satisfaction of the 500+ first batch customers, when the final product is ready to ship.
8. On project commencement, Commodore USA will provide monthly project updates until completion.
9. If Commodore USA does not perform the required work in 6 months of the project commencement date, then the 500+ customers have the option to withdraw immediately for a full refund of their prepayment.
10. Commodore USA reserve the right to affix a margin, at their discretion, to future sales of the product/s, past the initial batch.
11. The community will nominate two independent representatives or leaders who will liaise more closely with Commodore USA and report back to the community.
12. Sometimes negotiations require an NDA, that would limit public consumption of exact costs. In such circumstances that an NDA is required, the two nominated representatives of the community, who will also be under NDA, can independently verify such costs.
13. There will be no advertising of the product or its components by Commodore USA until project commencement.
14. In the meantime, Commodore USA will potentially continue with its current x86 based Commodore AMIGA plans, that will co-exist with the community's desired Commodore AMIGA branded product/s.

Warmest Regards,
Leo Nigro
Chief Technology Officer
Commodore USA, LLC
lan@commodoreusa.net
www.CommodoreUSA.net
    

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
Posted on 20-Dec-2011 12:16:01
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CUSA retains for herself the right to sell it, thus profiting, without having a single steak of risk in the whole process. If someone had proposed or showed me a similar business plan, in my real life/work, I would call him an idiot or scum.


Ahh at last... a wise man, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through this little ploy...


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@ Franko

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Send me... oh I don't know... let's say one million quid and gimme about 18 months (not including any delays and other mishaps) and I'll make you a personal AmigaOS and I won't be bothered what Hyperion or anyone says...

If you want a T-Shirt that will of course cost extra... Thing is... not sure if you know this or not CUSA aint making an AmigaOS, oh they may call it that but it won't be a real AmigaOS like 4.0, 3.9 etc... it'll just be some linux or mint package or maybe even an Amiga emulator written in C64 Basic...

I never got burnt (too wise) so if you wanna hand over your credit card or bank details to either me or Barry, I'm pretty sure you can get burnt again and as you say end up in the same place you are now...


1. How about no. Helping yet??
2. See point 1
3. Err, and that's so much better for your post. Oh let's re-cap how your contribution has moved us along any further......

Just to be clear here, this could be all BS, never happen. White wash, smoke, vapour ware, word of the month. Can I say again...um, who cares!!!! not like we are anywhere else by just oh, lets see, use your opinion to help bolster decision making and furthering AMIGA development.

Your a coder, you write stuff, how about you just play along and offer some constructive points of view for a change. Forget about what may or may not happen, nothing will change unless some decisions are made. Some of those will be tough but you can man-up and deal with them, go grab a beverage, and jump on the pipe-dream.

If by some miracle it actually happens, well then, I'll go smoke a Leprechaun if i can find one!
the difference is, I'm going to try treat this as a serious offer. See any other around? I sure aint going to give you a 'million quid' you don't seem a safe bet either!! lol no offence. You'd need permission from hyperoion to market anyways ;)

At the moment, even if John homs came from the grave (pun intended) and decided to build us an AMIAG, no matter what was involved, we can't even decide if it will run the AMIGA OS or not, or some emulator. What is this site again??? oh that Leprechaun was strong stuff eh?


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Posted on 20-Dec-2011 12:24:29
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@kas1e

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Simple answer: no. Not simple one: no, because cusa involved. no, because amiga is dead at end of 90x, no, because we have enough of new amigas already, no, because we have a lot of splitting already, no, because to do something about which danwood say , will be unpossible to do fast, and expectually when cusa involved, no, because that all looks and sounds plainly un-serius and un-proffesional. So, no and no. And because of this, all that disusssions its just classic hot air. Professional, will just do everything rigth, they will put money in, they will attract developers, they will not ask for prepays, they will not talk on forums as cusa talks (and yes, still about cusa, because topic about it, but not about some dreams or funny hopes of amiga-reborning), proffesionals will do good sites and will not stole images. Its not enough for you still, and you still want "polls" ? One more thread on front page from cusa ?


Ok, fine!!!! Have it your way !

Let's make it more simple for you and others like you on what the thread is about and to hell with you likeing or not liking a company!

Question 1

1. do you want a new AMIGA
Yes/No

A- Yes please
B- No thanks, AMIGA is dead.

NExt question.



....See my other similar thread.


*edit*
no, wait, u have a point.
Question 2

Can you accept commodore building that

A. i'd rather leave AW and all AMIGA related sites and communities.
B. Aww, only if I have to
C. ok


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@SHADES

Topic about cusa. If you want to bring again that topic "what is amiga and what is not", then sure you can, but still we all about cusa here.

Quote:

the difference is, I'm going to try treat this as a serious offer. See any other around?


Yes, i see. Acube/Trevor/Hyperion - Mos-team - AROS-team - i see them around.

And plz, don't say me about those milions dollars which cusa have. That even not funny.


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Yes, i see. Acube/Trevor/Hyperion - Mos-team - AROS-team - i see them around. And plz, don't say me about those milions dollars which cusa have. That even not funny.


Sorry, none of them built a box decided by community. None of them did. they chose CPU, features and price so, no, I don't see your point.

Again, the debate is what kind of box Trev, Acube, Hyperion all made Linux/OS4 boxes. Is that AROS, MOS, windows?

again, I don't see it? help me understand??

This is simple. Stop with the stone walling. If it's not real, who cares. No harm done, you still have your OS4 boxes!


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Initial idea to get more good will towards C= USA: start donating $$$$ to Amiga R&D

example:
- collect ideas of what bounty will get the $ next
- put up a poll for community to vote the bounty
- donate $$$$ to the bounty
- do it monthly

And while doing that ... be in talks with other Amiga players, arrange meetings, stay out of courts.

"Commodore USA will negotiate for all required technology, be it software or hardware,"
Any Amiga computer must have AmigaOS on it. Otherwise it can not be Amiga.

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Quote:

1. do you want a new AMIGA
Yes/No

A- Yes please
B- No thanks, AMIGA is dead.


While your post again a bit break my logic (you write YES/NO, and then A/B in the same question), answer is no , because classic and old-welknown amiga as computer dead. Through, that what Danwood say in prev. posts are interesting (but unpossible to do fast, just unpossible).

Quote:

Can you accept commodore building that

A. i'd rather leave AW and all AMIGA related sites and communities.
B. Aww, only if I have to
C. ok


They can do whatever they want , so C , but its all does not matter, as many of us know, they will do nothing :)


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Sorry, none of them built a box decided by community. None of them did. they chose CPU, features and price so, no, I don't see your point.


Pegasos2 was done for community by bplan-genesi for morphos , as far as i remember, as well as A1, as well as x1000 for now was done for aos4.

Quote:

Again, the debate is what kind of box Trev, Acube, Hyperion all made Linux/OS4 boxes. Is that AROS, MOS, windows?


What ? Hyperion making OS, acube do sams, Trevor bring money to x1000. No one care about linux here from user point of view.

Quote:

again, I don't see it? help me understand??


What you didn't see ? I see more (a lot more) than i see from cusa.

Quote:

This is simple. Stop with the stone walling. If it's not real, who cares. No harm done, you still have your OS4 boxes!


I dont care about os4 boxes. I care that cusa sounds as unprofessionals , which want to foolish ppls one more time, and make some PR of their linuxes.

And all of that talks from my side, its only because that i somehow read that "news" because they was on front page. That was mistake of course :) Because better to spend time on something construcitve, even on some simple port. In compare with talking again, again and again about cusa.

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@kas1e

Oh so sorry, thought it was an easy one. Here, let me help you!

KEY:
A - 1 - Yes
B - 2 - No

2nd question had a 3rd answer, but you chose one! good start.

And i agree with you. I don't care if Martha Stuart baked me an AMIGA, it's "ok" by me too if it works.

Yep, CUSA could be full of SH^T and, no one would blame you for thinking so.

So......
Do you want the new AMIGA to run AMIGA OS??? next question. Feel free to number, dash or alphabet the answers with your own logic, mine sux.
Can we have a poll already?


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@kas1e

OMG. Not going to bother replying. you were doing so well too.

Don't care.

Poll please. This is insane.


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Poll please. This is insane.


Insane to make polls which make no sense and waste time on it (as we do now in that thread). That is insane.


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Insane to make polls which make no sense and waste time on it (as we do now in that thread). That is insane.


Like your wasting time debating wasting time in this thread. Now "Thats" insane!

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This is what I would like to see:

- Amiga 4000 re-created (not emulation of any sort)
- comes in a nice mini atx case reminiscent of the original case
- 68060 CPU for oldschool games + real custom chipset (AGA etc.)
- 1-2ghz PPC
- Amiga OS 4xxx from Hyperion
- Price south of $1000 :)

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Poll time!

If you are against the idea, please be polite and don't bloat the thread

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Poll time! If you are against the idea, please be polite and don't bloat the thread

+1 !!


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Like your wasting time debating wasting time in this thread. Now "Thats" insane!


I hope no polls "did you like wasting your time in CUSA threads?" will come.


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Problem is not financial but technical, bring OS4 to x86 means breaking instantanely any compatibility (in short: loose all software we have!) and rewrite from scratch different parts of the system, that means a lot and very long work that at the end no one knows how rewarding ...


Not really, with the raw horse power of x86 and some clever integration of UAE and a rosetta-style PPC emulation, you can emulate 68K and PPC apps virtually invisibly to the user, like Apple did when they switched to X86, PPC apps still ran fine under (invisible) emulation.

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Wajdy Wrote:
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Poll time!

If you are against the idea, please be polite and don't bloat the thread


Bit late for that..

SHADES has already bloated this thread like a Russian shotputter on steriods and I think he's been smoking too many Leprechauns...


@ SHADES

Simply put... I wouldn't trust Barry Altman and CUSA if my life, my dogs life and all the squirrels lives in my back garden depended on it...

Seeing as you like these...

1. Is SHADES mad Yes/ No

If No Goto 1

2. The Correct Answer Was Yes...


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** ANY MODERATORS AROUND??***

Can we start a POLL please. I'm unsure how to best do this so I a going to offer some basic first suggestions.

I think, in all fairness, to all opinions, we need to start it off with complete basics.

I propose the following start to the Poll.
This could take months, so can we say, 2 Days MAX before the next Poll is made.

First Questions??

- Do you want a new AMIGA computer (no specs, just yes/no)
- Can you bare/stand/get over it being "possibly" made by CUSA (no debates! yes/no)
- Will this computer run AMIGA OS (Yes/No/don't care)

If 1st question get majority of no, send response to BigBen, no thanks
If yes, go to question 2

If 2nd question gets majority of no, send response to BigBen, no thanks
if yes, go to question 3

If Yes to last question, go to next poll What AMIGA OS for new PC

If No to last question, go to next poll Choose the new OS for new PC

- err is this even possible to do here?


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@Shades

Don´t loose your time with these kind of people. They NEVER, EVER accept even a little change on their opinion about companies, they already made a map on who's "good" and "bad", so it is too hard for them to change the plot of their movie at this point.

On top of that, they don´t really see the Amiga as a viable or competitive platform: They are just happy with a simple hobbyist machine as long as it is Amig-aryan enough XD, so they don´t give a sh¡t about terms like competitiveness, processing power, up to date features, etc... these are too "alien" for most of these radicals.

The funny thing is that they see themselves as the saviors of the platform, when in fact is that kind of attitude (not moving forward with the times) that killed the platform, and we (the ones who are screaming for a change in that attitude) are seen as the "attackers", "destroyers", "followers", a kind of virus which need to be extirpated (at least, from the front page).

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