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Hardware News   Hardware News : Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
   posted by BigBentheAussie on 19-Dec-2011 19:44:52 (54942 reads)
Commodore USA has a final challenge for this community that could enable them to have a new Commodore AMIGA with absolutely any of the features they want. We are serious about this, and we hope you will also take this offer seriously too, and contribute positively to the fruition of the Commodore AMIGA dream.

Allow me to outline our final challenge to the community, and how we can work together towards a unifying goal.
I have a list of obligations for the parties.


1. The community must definitively decide, through polls or whatever, what exactly it wants a Commodore AMIGA from Commodore USA to be.
2. Commodore USA will build and/or sell all product/s that will bear the official Commodore AMIGA brand.
3. Commodore USA will sell the first batch of a particular product AT (THEIR) COST to pre-paid customers only.
4. A minimum of 500 customers must pre-pay the entire amount in an independent account at a trusted institution (at the community's discretion) for the project to begin.
5. Commodore USA will negotiate for all required technology, be it software or hardware, and such costs will be divided by the amount of customers in the initial batch. So the more that join in, the lower the overall cost.
6. Commodore USA will outline all the costs, in as much detail as they are able to, before any customers make payment.
7. Commodore USA is ONLY paid on completion of the work to the satisfaction of the 500+ first batch customers, when the final product is ready to ship.
8. On project commencement, Commodore USA will provide monthly project updates until completion.
9. If Commodore USA does not perform the required work in 6 months of the project commencement date, then the 500+ customers have the option to withdraw immediately for a full refund of their prepayment.
10. Commodore USA reserve the right to affix a margin, at their discretion, to future sales of the product/s, past the initial batch.
11. The community will nominate two independent representatives or leaders who will liaise more closely with Commodore USA and report back to the community.
12. Sometimes negotiations require an NDA, that would limit public consumption of exact costs. In such circumstances that an NDA is required, the two nominated representatives of the community, who will also be under NDA, can independently verify such costs.
13. There will be no advertising of the product or its components by Commodore USA until project commencement.
14. In the meantime, Commodore USA will potentially continue with its current x86 based Commodore AMIGA plans, that will co-exist with the community's desired Commodore AMIGA branded product/s.

Warmest Regards,
Leo Nigro
Chief Technology Officer
Commodore USA, LLC
lan@commodoreusa.net
www.CommodoreUSA.net
    

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TheDaddy 
Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
Posted on 20-Dec-2011 14:43:58
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>>This is a historic opportunity

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@Daddy

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Also what I don't get is this sense of ultimatum to the community... It sounds like: "This is your last chance! Accept it or else!" So what are they going to do? Unleash an army of Snowmakers 2.0 on us?


It seems they gonna make another promise again

Beside jokes, easiest way is to licence Apple Rosetta Stone or QEMU (PPC emulator) and licence OS4 box to run OS4 on mighty x86 on steroids aka i5 or i7

Problem is then, like with Amisys box, there is no need much to develop the OS as it is seen as retro emulation.

Other option is some kind of PPC Box / Mobo / Laptop

Howg! Will Aussie make the Poll?
Should we watch more Fat Pizza show?


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People seem to believe that C=USA have millions of dollars to spend. I believe they have nothing. The so-called $30 million advertising budget was a smokescreen. It never happened.

I have come to the conclusion that C=USA is just another name for Amiga Inc.

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Come on Amiga Community, the future is just around the corner!


Yes it is called AmigaOS and the X1000 and SAM and future products from Hyperion/A-Eon/Acube/Amikit

The future is already happening now, only without the naming schemes from the past


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@redrumloa

Could you please stop calling a minority of negative people "the entire community"

You're really tryting hard to make us all look bad, which really makes you look bad.

People are allowed to express their oppinion. After all there is already a solution for people using AmigaOS, and as such we perhaps dont need cusa to "save us" as much as you or others want us to think.


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WATCH OUT!
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although this is another subject i dont trust much and see threads to such announcements lead only into hard to oversee propositions and endless fights i posted an initial poll attempt in a "cusa" section

here you go:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34807&start=0&post_id=643972&order=0&viewmode=thread&pid=0&forum=44#643972

im not going to read to much into it or answer to any fights, treat it as an attempt to find a common ground regardless cusa.

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Poster: djrikki Date: 20-Dec-2011 14:55:02

People seem to believe that C=USA have millions of dollars to spend. I believe they have nothing. The so-called $30 million advertising budget was a smokescreen. It never happened.

I have come to the conclusion that C=USA is just another name for Amiga Inc.


Riiiiiiiiiight, because ANYONE can co-brand with Disney and be the #1 news story on the internet without money? I don't know how I missed that. I am going to being Anachronism Inustries back from the dead and use this free advertising.


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Could you please stop calling a minority of negative people "the entire community"

You're really tryting hard to make us all look bad, which really makes you look bad.


I'm not trying to make anyone look bad, i am simply calling how I see it. Obviously other people agree with what I am seeing. Look at the noise to signal ratio in this thread, it isn't pretty.

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People are allowed to express their oppinion.


Of course people are allowed to express their opinion, as long as that opinion matches your opinion right?

Quote:
After all there is already a solution for people using AmigaOS, and as such we perhaps dont need cusa to "save us" as much as you or others want us to think.


So you agree with my statement that the Kommunity wants to stay as it is, a few hundred active users.

Myself, coming as a MOS user, I'd love to see a push into the mainstream. It probably isn't realistic for multiple reasons, but I'd love to entertain the idea.


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Yes. To everything.....but remember there will be costs associated, which would ultimately be divided by the 500+ in the first batch. So, a bit of reality is required.

Well, as long as it's everything, I'd go for a Natami in an A1000-style case (with a keyboard garage). What to do about the OS? That's the tricky bit.

I've never really bought into the notion that PPC-based systems are real Amigas, so I'm not very interested in one of those. I think most people who are already have one anyway.


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If you want the Commodore AMIGA brand on those products.


Not the business minded or technical laden type of reply I would hope for.

Given that, this seems yet another topic geared to generate lots of front page Cusa chatter/attention, but would have less than a fraction of a chance of seeing completion. Well played actually.

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@red

Dunno, but sometimes there was there was this companies that would get mentioned in mayor tech-shows while being evicted (a 2nd time) from their offices.... you know a company that even managed to get a major stadium named after them (well allmost atleast)

It may not all be smoke&mirrors, but those 2 clearly play a major role in NotC=USA's buisness.


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@Leo Nigro

Just for your understanding: This is a community and not an organized company or a democratic organization. Here you will find different opinions and we have not a spokesperson telling you anything.

Understand? You ask a community deciding something, what is not possible to decide for a community.

You should make a proposition or two and then see, if someone is willing to buy it.

At least - do not make the community responsible if you won't get an answer! It is your fault! You are the ones not understanding what it means making business!


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1. Amiga Os
2. Linux
3. AROS
4. MOS
5. Windows
6. QNX
7. Android
8. My uncles armpit

Does your uncle's armpit have memory protection? If it does, then it's probably a better choice than some of the alternatives.


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Only with a real agreement between CUSA and Hyperion, AEON or ACUBE I would be interested in investing in this project. Also, if there OS4, I'm not interested.

Saludos.

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Poster: Kronos Date: 20-Dec-2011 16:54:07

@red

Dunno, but sometimes there was there was this companies that would get mentioned in mayor tech-shows while being evicted (a 2nd time) from their offices.... you know a company that even managed to get a major stadium named after them (well allmost atleast)

It may not all be smoke&mirrors, but those 2 clearly play a major role in NotC=USA's buisness.


Last time I checked Sheeplord and McBill are not employed by CUSA

McBill never dropped any big money. There is doubt even the long delayed teeshirts really came from AI. There may be some smoke and mirrors somewhere, but not when it comes to Disney and the extreme buzz created earlier this year. That was the first time it has hppened since Commodore went BK. you have to give CUSA that at least.


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14. In the meantime, Commodore USA will potentially continue with its current x86 based Commodore AMIGA plans, that will co-exist with the community's desired Commodore AMIGA branded product/s.


Six months you play, while they conquer with the "clone wars"


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CUSA: Hi, we would like to assist making and marketing a product. What would you like?


Nope.

CUSA: We would like the community to fund a commercial project. Would you be interested?

Typical of you twisting the words though.

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I haven't read every post in this thread but I like the idea as long as people's money is safe I see no problem.

here's how I see it.

To please most people here It will have to run amiga OS4.x since there seems to be no way to legally sell anything under the amiga name with any other amiga like OS so Hyperion will need to be on board so any hardware platform will need to be PPC based unless Hyperion have already ported AOS to arm or can do quickly (it's unlikely but x86 is even more unlikely)

Basing something on Natami would be a great idea but the Natami project isn't ready and may not be for quite some time, throwing money at them and giving them a deadline may cause them to lose what it is that drives them to continue what is basically a hobby.


The problem I see is that the people you are asking to make the decisions don't have enough inside information to know what is feasible for such a project and all that will come out of it will be dreams.

Considering what from the outside seems to be possible the best that could happen is that CUSA could produce a PowerPC based motherboard and an all in one case similar to the fantasy case design then sell the board with AOS4 in that case and in a larger Amiga branded desktop case. There really is no need to develop a new motherboard, just buy from acube and sell those boards in the custom Commodore Amiga cases. Commodore USA would even use the same case designs for its core x86 market and that should be enough to fund the development of the case without having to ask for upfront payment. this is already doable so no need for this thread at all.

If you want us to tell what we really want then I would like a Nintendo DS XL size device with built in keyboard and game controller similar to the Pandora with the Natami chipset and a PPC or Arm CPU running amiga OS4.x, it must have usb ports and a hdmi output though so it can be used on a desktop or a TV too.


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Just plowed through this thread, and my two cents is that the hardware isn't as important, as the presentation, having a well thought out philosphy on what it should be. None of these OSes, or software for them, require that much hardware wise. So for me, what's under the hood isn't interesting at all. What you want is the Amiga experience.
I don't really want to use a worn out example, but I think about Apple (or Nintendo for that matter in some aspects). The hardware is alright, but it's nothing you can't find anywhere else. Instead they focus on the user experience, making an impression.
And having a "low" price is pretty much a no deal (considering the kind of demand it's gonna be for this).
I'd use a big chunk on hiring a great industrial designer and make a sweet looking shell, that looks like what Amiga would look like in 2012, or something that just stands out and looks amazing. And also hire someone qualified to make a "theme/skin" for OS4, MOS or AROS that looks professional and modern. The first impression is what sells.
Basically, I feel everything is available already; hardware, working OSes, a good start on software, enthustiasts. Just make it SHINE.

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Nope. CUSA: We would like the community to fund a commercial project. Would you be interested? Typical of you twisting the words though


Seems to me more like

CUSA: We would like to create a community project, tell us what you want and we will see what we can do to make it happen.

Typical of everybody twisting words though, we all see what we want in everything we read.

I have been a very big doubter of CUSA but I don't think we have anything to lose in playing nice with them with this and seeing what comes of it as long as everybody's money is safe in an independent account.

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