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Hardware News   Hardware News : Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
   posted by BigBentheAussie on 19-Dec-2011 19:44:52 (54940 reads)
Commodore USA has a final challenge for this community that could enable them to have a new Commodore AMIGA with absolutely any of the features they want. We are serious about this, and we hope you will also take this offer seriously too, and contribute positively to the fruition of the Commodore AMIGA dream.

Allow me to outline our final challenge to the community, and how we can work together towards a unifying goal.
I have a list of obligations for the parties.


1. The community must definitively decide, through polls or whatever, what exactly it wants a Commodore AMIGA from Commodore USA to be.
2. Commodore USA will build and/or sell all product/s that will bear the official Commodore AMIGA brand.
3. Commodore USA will sell the first batch of a particular product AT (THEIR) COST to pre-paid customers only.
4. A minimum of 500 customers must pre-pay the entire amount in an independent account at a trusted institution (at the community's discretion) for the project to begin.
5. Commodore USA will negotiate for all required technology, be it software or hardware, and such costs will be divided by the amount of customers in the initial batch. So the more that join in, the lower the overall cost.
6. Commodore USA will outline all the costs, in as much detail as they are able to, before any customers make payment.
7. Commodore USA is ONLY paid on completion of the work to the satisfaction of the 500+ first batch customers, when the final product is ready to ship.
8. On project commencement, Commodore USA will provide monthly project updates until completion.
9. If Commodore USA does not perform the required work in 6 months of the project commencement date, then the 500+ customers have the option to withdraw immediately for a full refund of their prepayment.
10. Commodore USA reserve the right to affix a margin, at their discretion, to future sales of the product/s, past the initial batch.
11. The community will nominate two independent representatives or leaders who will liaise more closely with Commodore USA and report back to the community.
12. Sometimes negotiations require an NDA, that would limit public consumption of exact costs. In such circumstances that an NDA is required, the two nominated representatives of the community, who will also be under NDA, can independently verify such costs.
13. There will be no advertising of the product or its components by Commodore USA until project commencement.
14. In the meantime, Commodore USA will potentially continue with its current x86 based Commodore AMIGA plans, that will co-exist with the community's desired Commodore AMIGA branded product/s.

Warmest Regards,
Leo Nigro
Chief Technology Officer
Commodore USA, LLC
lan@commodoreusa.net
www.CommodoreUSA.net
    

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
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CUSA: We would like the community to fund a commercial project. Would you be interested?


Exactly what commercial project would that be? 500 units is not what I would call a commercial project. Hobby project, perhaps, but not commercial project.


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i would like to have an os4 tablet. this would be damn cool! by the way, an ppc equipped os4 natami would also be cool! and whats with aros on smartphones?


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Poster: Cool_amigaN Date: 20-Dec-2011 17:34:38

@redrumloa

A-Eon: We would like the community to fund a commercial project. Would you be interested?


I fixed that for you.

Typical of you twisting the words though.


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@damocles

No offence but there seems to be a lot of bitterness towards you here, if you want this to be taken seriously then it would be beneficial for you not to comment on such things in such a way that appears so condescending as everything you say will be twisted and not only used against you but also CommodoreUSA and this thread could do without that.

I'm not telling you that you shouldn't post, that's not my place or my intention. just asking you to be tactful in your chosen responses and what you chose to respond to as you (and a few others) can turn on the flames very quickly.


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What I think is feasable and very much welcom in the Amiga market./scene is...

-PPC emulator to run on standard x86 hardware and emulate a ppc to run OS4 (or MOS for that matter)
-Expansion card to add to classic Amiga's or Natami or a x86 PC, containing a PPC processor to run OS4 (or MOS)
-Expansion card containing a Minimig, to add to a PC or NG Amiga
-Port of OS4 to cheap Apple HW like the Macmini and to Macbooks
-just massive funding to much needed software like office stuff (and anything we already talked about a million times) and perhaps the lightwave/toaster software

These should all be feasable and quite payable.

The next would be more expensive but also very much apreciated by many (I think)

- port of OS4 to x86 (just pick one machine with all features and expansion cards set in stone, make sure there is a large stock in Amiga terms like a few thousand units, and concentrate on those drivers. When they are sold out, pick another configuration and concentrate on those drivers (the main OS should still work) and so on.
-Amiga (OS4) mediaplayer/settopbox/gameconsole. Make sure it is cheap enough top sell in thousands easily

Just a few idea's

Now who is going to set up a WELL ORGANISED poll ? Should we apoint a trusted menber to do so, and manage things for us ?

Steven ??

Cheers

Martin


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@redrumloa

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So you agree with my statement that the Kommunity wants to stay as it is, a few hundred active users. Myself, coming as a MOS user, I'd love to see a push into the mainstream. It probably isn't realistic for multiple reasons, but I'd love to entertain the idea.


I dont know which community you're talking about, but the AmigaOS 4.xx community is rapidly growing. Surely not into the mainstream, but when the X1000 and the netbook really kicks off, we'll see a huge increase in users which will turn the AOS 4.xx community into several thousand users. We're not talking hundreds here - as you try really hard to make people belive in.

Perhaps you should look at the MOS community if you are to apply those numbers where they could fit. And perhaps you should attract cusa towards MOS instead of trying to divert them from OS4...just an idea.

Hyperion and A-Eon is already doing what CUSA wants to do


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Poster: TheMaskedMuchacho Date: 20-Dec-2011 18:09:53

@damocles

No offence but there seems to be a lot of bitterness towards you here, if you want this to be taken seriously then it would be beneficial for you not to comment on such things in such a way that appears so condescending as everything you say will be twisted and not only used against you but also CommodoreUSA and this thread could do without that.

I'm not telling you that you shouldn't post, that's not my place or my intention. just asking you to be tactful in your chosen responses and what you chose to respond to as you (and a few others) can turn on the flames very quickly.


To be fair, anyone who doesn't follow a certain way of thinking is met with bitterness. I get it too, as do others. I never quite figured out why Dammy was such a lightning rod more than others though.


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@damocles

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Exactly what commercial project would that be? 500 units is not what I would call a commercial project. Hobby project, perhaps, but not commercial project.


The project won't stop on the initial batch of 500 units.

Let me quote for you:

Quote:

Clause 10: 10. Commodore USA reserve the right to affix a margin, at their discretion, to future sales of the product/s, past the initial batch.


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@ redrumloa

At least you made clear of your agenda :)

Of course I never said anything like that, on contrary with you who deliberately hide the most obvious fact xD

Last edited by Cool_amigaN on 20-Dec-2011 at 06:42 PM.


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@red

Bill&Barry, or Barry&Leo ..... not that much off a difference.

Both used money (from whatever sources) to buy a dead brand and use it as an vehicle to make them look much bigger than the are.

Both (actually all 4 of them) are about as clueless as it gets in technical manners but quite competent snake-oil salesman.

B&B fooled Sharp,Nokia,MicroSoft and a town-council, B&L only have Disney on their resume sofar.

None of them ever produced anything even remotly worth the buzz.


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Poster: Cool_amigaN Date: 20-Dec-2011 18:42:10

@ redrumloa

At least you made clear of your agenda :)

Of course I never said anything like that, on contrary with you who deliberately hide the most obvious fact xD


You will have to clarify as I have no idea what you are talking about. Agenda? What is my agenda this week? Do I work for Genesi this week or CUSA?

You know, paranoia can eat you alive.


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@ Kronos

I can't fully agree with you. The 64x was a pretty polished product that took some real cash and effort to make and some big bucks to promote. The case and keyboard was a nice accomplishment.

What was McBill & Fleecy's finest hour? Snowman maker? Coupon scam(SHUT UP KRONOS!!!)? Being hated by the Kommunity, the City of Kent and others as con artists?

Barry/Leo have done nothing to suggest they are con artists. That is a big difference.


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@red

From what I can tell it seem the NotC64 has some serious design issues (ontop of being a braindead idea offcourse).

Bout NotC=USA being con-artist, *shrug* compare them to late 2000 early 2001 Amino and then tell which one looks/looked more real ?

Maybe they really believe their own nonsense (which also seemed to be the case with Amino for a while) maybe they are just to stupid to turn their hoax into real money which is something Amino also failed (honest or otherwise), but nothing and I mean really nothing NotC=USA even suggests "for real" so the best we can hope for is that they end in a even more flamboient iWin or Troika but there is 0.000000000000 chance that they will turn out anything beyond "costumizing" standard HW/SW into a less ergonomic style.


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@red
Are you sure barry not pay for you ?


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I dont know which community you're talking about, but the AmigaOS 4.xx community is rapidly growing. Surely not into the mainstream, but when the X1000 and the netbook really kicks off, we'll see a huge increase in users which will turn the AOS 4.xx community into several thousand users. We're not talking hundreds here - as you try really hard to make people belive in.


Wow, you really believe the X1000 and Netbook are going to bring thousands of new users? Really

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Perhaps you should look at the MOS community if you are to apply those numbers where they could fit. And perhaps you should attract cusa towards MOS instead of trying to divert them from OS4...just an idea.


Funny, I talked about uniting the camps and you see this as trying to divert OS4 users to something unclean. MOS people are those people over there and I should stay with my own kind

There really is no communicating with some of you people. You live in your own little fantasy world where someone's words mean something totally different and the whole world is out to get you.

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Hyperion and A-Eon is already doing what CUSA wants to do


You really don't realize how silly that sounds, do you


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@red
Are you sure barry not pay for you ?


Oh yeah, I get paid lavishly. I still enjoy my pension from Genesi too


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@redrumloa

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I dont know which community you're talking about, but the AmigaOS 4.xx community is rapidly growing. Surely not into the mainstream, but when the X1000 and the netbook really kicks off, we'll see a huge increase in users which will turn the AOS 4.xx community into several thousand users. We're not talking hundreds here - as you try really hard to make people belive in.


I share Hondo's view as well, as far as the NetBook is concerned. Assuming its at least 800mhz+, 12inch and 1024x768.

@redrumloa

Quote:

Oh yeah, I get paid lavishly. I still enjoy my pension from Genesi too


Hah nice joke, even if it was true - your avatar suggests otherwise - unless it was a measly sum.

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Well I can't believe the bitching and negativity in this thread, is Amigaworld full of retards and
regressive people; also people who obviously can't read ?

Read BigBenTheAussies posts !!!

Make THE DAM POLL !!!! from super high end PPC stuff, down to plastic toy cases for joystick like toys.....

Take into consideration AOS4, MOS, AOS3x and any thing you can think of...

Any hardware you want X86, Z80, PPC, 68k, 6502 whatever.....

Maybe they can do a deal with Hyperion, get X1000 production increased/ prices droped, use the
X1000 as an entry level machine ; then build something faster later...


Wol..


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I want a performance class laptop running Amiga OS4.x.

15inch size
matte/non-glare screen
Reasonable but not rediculously high resolution (I can't see 1080 at this screen size)
backlit keyboard so I'm not blind in a dark room
numeric keypad built-in, as is common now in this size
SDXC combo reader
ExpressCard rev2 slot 52/34 (54/32??) (rev2 is USB3/PCIe based)
USB3
eSATA
SATA hard drive, standard bay for any drive
SATA optical drive, standard bay for any drive
HD Audio
good power managment, reasonably long battery runtime
CPU should be G4+ with Altivec, 1GHz+ - 8610, 8640, T4240, PA Semi, etc.
but won't overheat and shutdown or die, smart power managment
Capable of 8GB+ memory (or Max of chosen CPU)
Gb ethernet
mniPCI-Express slot and antennas for Wifi and Bluetooth module
DVI, HDMI, or Displayport out
MXM3 slot for any standard module
touchpad (of course), 2 buttons (or 3 if exists)
And of course Amiga OS4.* drivers for everything so it's actually useful.


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Shush Kronos. Only OS4 fanbois are supposed to be suspicious of CUSA.

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