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Hardware News   Hardware News : Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
   posted by BigBentheAussie on 19-Dec-2011 19:44:52 (54938 reads)
Commodore USA has a final challenge for this community that could enable them to have a new Commodore AMIGA with absolutely any of the features they want. We are serious about this, and we hope you will also take this offer seriously too, and contribute positively to the fruition of the Commodore AMIGA dream.

Allow me to outline our final challenge to the community, and how we can work together towards a unifying goal.
I have a list of obligations for the parties.


1. The community must definitively decide, through polls or whatever, what exactly it wants a Commodore AMIGA from Commodore USA to be.
2. Commodore USA will build and/or sell all product/s that will bear the official Commodore AMIGA brand.
3. Commodore USA will sell the first batch of a particular product AT (THEIR) COST to pre-paid customers only.
4. A minimum of 500 customers must pre-pay the entire amount in an independent account at a trusted institution (at the community's discretion) for the project to begin.
5. Commodore USA will negotiate for all required technology, be it software or hardware, and such costs will be divided by the amount of customers in the initial batch. So the more that join in, the lower the overall cost.
6. Commodore USA will outline all the costs, in as much detail as they are able to, before any customers make payment.
7. Commodore USA is ONLY paid on completion of the work to the satisfaction of the 500+ first batch customers, when the final product is ready to ship.
8. On project commencement, Commodore USA will provide monthly project updates until completion.
9. If Commodore USA does not perform the required work in 6 months of the project commencement date, then the 500+ customers have the option to withdraw immediately for a full refund of their prepayment.
10. Commodore USA reserve the right to affix a margin, at their discretion, to future sales of the product/s, past the initial batch.
11. The community will nominate two independent representatives or leaders who will liaise more closely with Commodore USA and report back to the community.
12. Sometimes negotiations require an NDA, that would limit public consumption of exact costs. In such circumstances that an NDA is required, the two nominated representatives of the community, who will also be under NDA, can independently verify such costs.
13. There will be no advertising of the product or its components by Commodore USA until project commencement.
14. In the meantime, Commodore USA will potentially continue with its current x86 based Commodore AMIGA plans, that will co-exist with the community's desired Commodore AMIGA branded product/s.

Warmest Regards,
Leo Nigro
Chief Technology Officer
Commodore USA, LLC
lan@commodoreusa.net
www.CommodoreUSA.net
    

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
Posted on 20-Dec-2011 22:51:11
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Just want to say we the community are massively under estimating our self in thinking we need C=USA and the Amiga brand to make our dream project come true or its all over, why are some thinking like that, when has the lack of Amiga brand ever stop us, Aros and many other projects prove what we can do, think about everything the community has achieved, OS4.1 for classic was largely made possible by community support, the Amiga shows and events for god knows how long have only really happened thanks to the community efforts, Viva Amiga film will only happen thanks to money raised by the community, the amount of software ported over and work done on Aros, MorphOs and AmigaOS has only happened thanks to driven fans and community support, these very web sites and I think the Amiga very existence has only happened due to community support. All I'm trying to say to a few people who say we be fools to pass this up or this is our Final Chance to remember everything thats been achieved in the Amiga world specially in the last 10 years a lot of it is down to the community not to one company or another.


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+1

I do not think we need a complete new hardware. There are a lot of new hardware getting ready or be already ready (X1000, FPGA Arcade, Natami f.e.) and there are already different OSs available. But some camps do not speak with other camps even if both would benefit, so we need some sort of moderator who brings the different developers together. There is no need to create a complete new (expensive) hardware because we already have them. We now need them combined to solutions.

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He did make an 030 and AmigaKit sold it. AFAIR it sold out rather quick.


Nice boards which were cheaper than 10+ year old used hardware on Ebay.

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I've spoken to Jens in the past about the possibility of PPC accelerator and he wasn't interested for a number of reasons.


The main reason being that in his opinion there are no suitable chips in production. Powerquicc has good features and is not expensive but I believe that Jens said there were known issues that Freescale are not willing to remedy. There is no point in building boards that end up costing the same as a SAM440/460.

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Perhaps CUSA (I give them the benefit of the doubt) could negotiate between companies, at the very least thet could perhaps bring us a (for example) new case resembeling the A1200 with a SAM inside


What qualifies CUSA to take a lead in negotiating such deals? They have the Amiga brand name that's is it. They don't have any brand loyalty from Amigans because they sell rehashed x86 in a pretty box and if I wanted that I'd buy a new Mac!!! We have Minimig/Sam boards/X1000 and Natami on the way without any input from CUSA. We don't need them or want them. I congratulate them on brokering a deal with Amiga Inc which seems to be a zombie company and must have been difficult to track down but that's it. I'm not filling out a poll because they should pay for their own market research amongst their target market, i.e. the general public who bought C64s and A500s back in the day. Die hard Amiga fans who frequent forums etc should not dwell too long on their doorstep..... Buy a regular PeeCee and run E-UAE/WinUAE on it if you want the sort of solution CUSA are looking to sell. If you want to support the Amiga platform buy from Amigakit/A-EON and Hyperion.


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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
Posted on 21-Dec-2011 0:03:15
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I do not think we need a complete new hardware. There are a lot of new hardware getting ready or be already ready (X1000, FPGA Arcade, Natami f.e.) and there are already different OSs available. But some camps do not speak with other camps even if both would benefit, so we need some sort of moderator who brings the different developers together. There is no need to create a complete new (expensive) hardware because we already have them. We now need them combined to solutions.


Exactly, like I said. Hardware is a non-issue.

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Posted on 21-Dec-2011 0:08:22
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Oh well, this is indeed being steering a specific direction. Good luck and god bless.


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I think I know what you mean, we'll see........ But that wont be the outcome of the poll.


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So... What do you think of these?


I think that a checker mark down the side of a case is too loud for my taste. Remember that Amiga was a business machine and we're older now and we're not little kiddies.

I think an LCD display should be software controlled and it should be acrylic with LED backlights so that it would be bright as anything in the dark. It should probably be a negative LCD with an RGB backlight.

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Not really, with the raw horse power of x86 and some clever integration of UAE and a rosetta-style PPC emulation, you can emulate 68K and PPC apps virtually invisibly to the user, like Apple did when they switched to X86, PPC apps still ran fine under (invisible) emulation.


Of course, theorically all is possible but first someone need to write such emulator! ... What i say is that porting OS4 or MOS from PPC to x86 or whatever you like will break the compatibility, then if someone will write an emulator (like Petunia) the situation can change ...

But again all of that is all in theory, indeed mutch mutch work to do, rewrite the wheel again and again ... and for what at the end ?


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@SHADES

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First Questions??

- Do you want a new AMIGA computer (no specs, just yes/no)


Why do you insist too mutch, seems like an obsession
Do you want a new Amiga ?
We have already a lot of new Amiga solution around ...

Why do you fell that CUSA will bring you a better "Amiga" than ACube/A-EON ?

Since CUSA appear for the first time all we get is remarked standard x86 PC ...

So your question: "do you want a new Amiga ?"

I can say: "maybe"
First (if they really want) produce somethings usable for AmigaOS, then we will see ... otherwise bye bye


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Posted on 21-Dec-2011 4:36:49
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There is no offer, CUSA are bringing nothing to the table and they seem to expect the community to come up with the product and take the financial risk.


What financial risk is the community going to have? 3rd party escrow of their money until C=USA ships out the product to them, at cost. Plus if the project takes more then 6 months, they can get their money back. I don't see a single risk for the end user, now C=USA has risks. Could be a major FUBAR in design/production which means C=USA is on the hook for paying for a new revision.

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Why does CUSA even need to be part of the equation?


Then why hasn't all this been done over the past ten years? Answer is because it couldn't be done or wasn't worth while doing it while the base community is in decline.

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Considering the numbers of pre-paid preorders for the C64x, you would be paying for a very long time. Granted, A-EON's pre-paid deposit is another story.


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Poster: Rob Date: 20-Dec-2011 21:19:45

@redrumloa

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@Rob Quote: There is no offer, A-Eon are bringing nothing to the table and they seem to expect the community to come up with the product and take the financial risk. Why does A-Eon even need to be part of the equation?


Fixed that for you


Turning the subject around from CUSA to the X1000, whose usual tactic is that?

It's so sad watching you become a clone of Dammy.


B.T.W.

A-EON did come up with the product, they did take the financial risk and Trevor already admitted that he will make no money from the X1000.


Dude, seriously, do you have any ability to reason whatsoever? I am being serious here. How is it that your mind finds Trevor as someone who fell on his sword for the great Amiga, yet Barry sacrifices small children and worships the devil. They are both running a business, they have both taken financial risks and they would both like to be successful. If someone wrongly slams CUSA for suggesting pre-payment claiming it is to finance a project when in reality they stated it would be to 3rd party escrow, what is the absolute horror in me pointing out that A-Eon clearly used pre-payment themselves to finance production? There was no 3rd party escrow or any pretense of it.

Reality is nice, you should try it some time.

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I also don't see your venom towards Amigakit and A-Eon for their pre-payment scheme on the "First Contact" systems. Let me guess, Matt threw himself on his sword too? No, pre-payments are being used to finance production.

Last edited by redrumloa on 21-Dec-2011 at 04:56 AM.


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@redrumloa

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what is the absolute horror in me pointing out that A-Eon clearly used pre-payment themselves to finance production? There was no 3rd party escrow or any pretense of it.


How would you know how a-eon handled the pre-payments? There were a few that dropped out & had zero problems getting a return. Trevor presented himself & his company as trustworthy from the start & he came through in the end.

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-edit-I also don't see your venom towards Amigakit and A-Eon for their pre-payment scheme on the "First Contact" systems. Let me guess, Matt threw himself on his sword too? No, pre-payments are being used to finance production.


Both a-eon & amigakit have a proven track record, cusa has none, big difference.


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I do not normally discuss private business in open forums, however I would like to correct a few misconceptions.

I have personally financed the "First Contact" production run. AmigaKit is only now taking deposits to confirm final orders. There is no pre-funding requirement from customers.

I am also personally financing the next development effort which is already underway. Again there is no pre-funding requirement from customers.

TrevorD

PS Season greetings to all Amigans whatever your operating system of choice.


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PS Season greetings to all Amigans whatever your operating system of choice.


Thanks Trevor. Will you please push the OS4 people into making a special boingball christmas makeover for update 4 ?

PS: You are a true Amiga Hero among thousands of fans, never forget that!

Merry Chrismas!

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@trevor

thanks again for your efforts.

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Merry Xmas to you too


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@trevord
Do you see a possibility for cusa to participate in a-eon projects?
They seem to hint that they are ready make things happen.


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