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Hardware News   Hardware News : Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
   posted by BigBentheAussie on 19-Dec-2011 19:44:52 (56313 reads)
Commodore USA has a final challenge for this community that could enable them to have a new Commodore AMIGA with absolutely any of the features they want. We are serious about this, and we hope you will also take this offer seriously too, and contribute positively to the fruition of the Commodore AMIGA dream.

Allow me to outline our final challenge to the community, and how we can work together towards a unifying goal.
I have a list of obligations for the parties.


1. The community must definitively decide, through polls or whatever, what exactly it wants a Commodore AMIGA from Commodore USA to be.
2. Commodore USA will build and/or sell all product/s that will bear the official Commodore AMIGA brand.
3. Commodore USA will sell the first batch of a particular product AT (THEIR) COST to pre-paid customers only.
4. A minimum of 500 customers must pre-pay the entire amount in an independent account at a trusted institution (at the community's discretion) for the project to begin.
5. Commodore USA will negotiate for all required technology, be it software or hardware, and such costs will be divided by the amount of customers in the initial batch. So the more that join in, the lower the overall cost.
6. Commodore USA will outline all the costs, in as much detail as they are able to, before any customers make payment.
7. Commodore USA is ONLY paid on completion of the work to the satisfaction of the 500+ first batch customers, when the final product is ready to ship.
8. On project commencement, Commodore USA will provide monthly project updates until completion.
9. If Commodore USA does not perform the required work in 6 months of the project commencement date, then the 500+ customers have the option to withdraw immediately for a full refund of their prepayment.
10. Commodore USA reserve the right to affix a margin, at their discretion, to future sales of the product/s, past the initial batch.
11. The community will nominate two independent representatives or leaders who will liaise more closely with Commodore USA and report back to the community.
12. Sometimes negotiations require an NDA, that would limit public consumption of exact costs. In such circumstances that an NDA is required, the two nominated representatives of the community, who will also be under NDA, can independently verify such costs.
13. There will be no advertising of the product or its components by Commodore USA until project commencement.
14. In the meantime, Commodore USA will potentially continue with its current x86 based Commodore AMIGA plans, that will co-exist with the community's desired Commodore AMIGA branded product/s.

Warmest Regards,
Leo Nigro
Chief Technology Officer
Commodore USA, LLC
lan@commodoreusa.net
www.CommodoreUSA.net
    

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
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You can change or at least mitigate that....but it will take effort for the community to both decide and commit to a proposition.


How we can mitigate that ?
I appreciate the polite way of asking, but even if we run around the question, that real question remain intact; if you can't produce any type of real Amiga product (SW or HW) all that "mitigate", kind words etc remain useless ...

Try to develop somethings really related to Amiga, help the community with software (not matter if for AROS, MorphOS or AmigaOS) what you prefer ... but don't try to sell Linux to us calling it Amiga ..

Community are not stupid ...


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@ Thread

Joke! CUSA, please get Amiga Inc to sell www.amiga.com domain name to Hyperion and butt out of Amiga land! Your presence only muddies the waters x86 hardware to run Linux or Aros at a push is NOT what interests me, however much the case resembles a retro Amiga! I doubt CUSA are interested in PPC or 68k/AmigaOS heritage so I won't bother suggesting a machine spec. I'll stick to ACube and A-Eon and support the TRUE Amiga computer lines.


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I know that the majority on this site are OS4 supporters. What do the people here think about a PowerPC addon card and a OS4-version for Natami. Technical it would be possible (it is a question of resources) and it would create a system that unifies (almost) all camps (3.1., Aros 68k and AmigaOS). What do you think? (perhaps the MorphOS team would be interested later too)

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MY AVATAR SHOULD TELL YOU ALL

RUN!

RUN FOR THE HILLS!!

If CUSA / BBTA have NOT tried to make direct contact with A-Eon then they are short sighted and naive. If they have made contact, then it is clear from this WEAK appeal "news?" item that they were told where to go...

If this shower had ANY credibility, then one of the established AMIGA companies would have listened and contracted to collaborate with them.

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@OlafS25

Quote:
I know that the majority on this site are OS4 supporters. What do the people here think about a PowerPC addon card and a OS4-version for Natami. Technical it would be possible (it is a question of resources) and it would create a system that unifies (almost) all camps (3.1., Aros 68k and AmigaOS). What do you think? (perhaps the MorphOS team would be interested later too)

it's an interesting idea, but wouldn't it be rather expensive? more over what would be the benefit to the OS4 user? we've already got relatively inexpensive NG systems available.

then again it would allow us to run 68K kit natively, and the geek factor would be huge. i'm mixed, but, hey, why not? let's see if the idea gets any traction.

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I hope that there will be a open discussion. I could not decide regarding f.e. licensing of Natami, because it is the project of Thomas Hirsch but he would certainly not opposing if someone would create the processor-card and amigaos running on it.

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Give me something that is fast and up to date and runs os4. And i'll be interested.


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it is just the processor card, I think the 68060 card is not very expensive, I do not know how much a powerpc card would be (depends on the processor and number of customers). But it would offer a hardware that unifies all platforms and Ben Hermans seemed here not against it. And it should not be too expensive. Of course I do not know how much the port/adaption of Amigaos would cost, but they already have a lot of ready (the version for the classics with powerup) so the investment should not be very high.

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It is a good deal that I would exactly make if had a lot of cash!

Ask for a software package:
office + 3D Software + Audio program + Photoshop like app

It does not have to be a Mobo!

Ask for Toaster NG!

What about a package of hardware drivers!

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Quote:
Poster: BigBentheAussie Date: 19-Dec-2011 22:31:31

@Metalheart

I don't know....Up to Hyperion to quote.

If they wanted to they could use AROS as base and port higher level libraries and functionality.
At the end of the day any Amiga-like OS running on x86 using the AmigaOS brand name still gets them a royalty payment.
Depends on how much they want to compromise to get it done.
Just a suggestion....one possible solution....with it's own set of problems....but not a technical problem.


This is the most sense I have heard from an "Amiga" related company in over 10 years.

I'll throw my idea into the hat. Try to unit all camps, AROS, OS4 & MOS. There is a lot of talent, but too thin in the individual products with different goals. I'd love to see an X86 PC in a custom case running AROS on the low end, with Abox/Ambient on the high end with the AmigaOS name and contributions from the OS4 side. Sandbox emulation for 680x0 and PPC of course. Is this possible? It would take a ton of resources, probably too many.

This is probably impossible also due to egos on all sides and financial concerns, but it is the only way I see to make the "Amiga" and variants anything more than a hobby to old people like us, at least in the way are used to


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Seeing some of the reactions, the slogan "Price without the power" seems the norm here.


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@thread

And this is news? Really?

There is nothing the community can't do. We have done it for 15+ years without CUSA patronising us so thanks but no thanks.


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Leo, what I really want for my Christmas is my X1000 running the latest and currently developed AmigaOS. My second wish already came true, thanks to Mr. Solie, in that AmigaOS finally has its own official website (www.amigaos.net)

Since its Christmas and you seem sincere I would like to see CUSA talk seriously to Hyperion or MOS or Aros camps to come up with a special case with a current AmigaOS

Merry Christmas to all amigans worldwide


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For the C= 8bit community you could work with Jim Brain to reimplement the CMD SuperCPU. The goal of 500 pre-orders would like be too high here, maybe 300 or so if the price could be held in a reasonable range. It would also help build good will in the 8bit Community.

I've had some discussions with Jim Brain in the past about a bounty for such a project and he seems to think it is possible and Jim has some if not all licenses to CMD products.


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So you want the community to deisgn and pay for all of the costs of a new product that your company will profit from?

No thanks.

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that does every company. The only difference here are the prepaying and there I am not sure about all details. There must be exact specifications. Who judges if the final product is meeting the expectations? etc.

But of course real amiga-hardware with amiga-brand on it would be great. And of course there are different expectations in the camps, so I think it could be different solutions like cheap Aros-PCs, PowerPC-computers and a PowerPC-Card for Natami f.e.

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Give us a PPC Amiga that runs Amiga OS 4.x FOR A REASONABLE PRICE and I'll kiss you and the Baron...

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Are these guys completely insane?

Just bizarre...

So the entire R&D strategy is 'through polls or whatever'?

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OK, I'll post a serious reply:

1. The community must definitively decide, through polls or whatever, what exactly it wants a Commodore AMIGA from Commodore USA to be.

A product related to the current NG options or Classic based.

2. Commodore USA will build and/or sell all product/s that will bear the official Commodore AMIGA brand.

Good for them.

3. Commodore USA will sell the first batch of a particular product AT (THEIR) COST to pre-paid customers only.

You really are partners with Amiga Inc.

4. A minimum of 500 customers must pre-pay the entire amount in an independent account at a trusted institution (at the community's discretion) for the project to begin.

Want to see my $50 coupon?

5. Commodore USA will negotiate for all required technology, be it software or hardware, and such costs will be divided by the amount of customers in the initial batch. So the more that join in, the lower the overall cost.

Sounds good.

6. Commodore USA will outline all the costs, in as much detail as they are able to, before any customers make payment.

I should expect so.

7. Commodore USA is ONLY paid on completion of the work to the satisfaction of the 500+ first batch customers, when the final product is ready to ship.

So you don't want any money up-front then?

8. On project commencement, Commodore USA will provide monthly project updates until completion.

Sounds good.

9. If Commodore USA does not perform the required work in 6 months of the project commencement date, then the 500+ customers have the option to withdraw immediately for a full refund of their prepayment.

How can you refund a prepayment when you said in #7 that C-USA is paid when the work is completed? Who is holding the money?

10. Commodore USA reserve the right to affix a margin, at their discretion, to future sales of the product/s, past the initial batch.

Sounds more than fair.

11. The community will nominate two independent representatives or leaders who will liaise more closely with Commodore USA and report back to the community.

Report back what?

12. Sometimes negotiations require an NDA, that would limit public consumption of exact costs. In such circumstances that an NDA is required, the two nominated representatives of the community, who will also be under NDA, can independently verify such costs.

So 2 people under a NDA can only post what they're allowed by you? "Trade secrets" is certainly fair.

13. There will be no advertising of the product or its components by Commodore USA until project commencement.

And then we get monthly updates...

14. In the meantime, Commodore USA will potentially continue with its current x86 based Commodore AMIGA plans, that will co-exist with the community's desired Commodore AMIGA branded product/s.

Oh dear, you just don't get it do you. Take your x86 Linux PCs and sell them somewhere else. Linux Workbench, x86 PC Amiga.

This is looking like a feeble attempt to "bribe" us into silence.

That aside, some product ideas:

#1: The one I would buy is a Commodore Amiga case for my FPGA Arcade. A good design would be suitable for both the FPGA Arcade and the NATAMI (and possibly other motherboards) in order to enlarge the potential customer base.

#2: New Commodore Amiga Tower solutions for Classic Amigas. The A3000 could certainly do with a new case and the A4000D is cramped beyond words.

#3: A larger A1000 style case for the A1200 mobo in order to have extra bays for removable CF cards, CD Drives, Hard Drives and even ports for connecting to a Subway.


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'The community must definitively decide, through polls or whatever, what exactly it wants a Commodore AMIGA from Commodore USA to be'

I'll have a quad A custom Amiga. It has to have at least 4GB of RAM. A custom chipset that is better than any current PC graphics hardware - oh and must run OS4.1.

I'll leave the CPU choice up to you as we only ever used off-the-shelf parts for that job before anyway.


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