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Software News   Software News : Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga and Amiga-like systems.
   posted by spotUP on 19-Mar-2012 1:03:39 (12297 reads)
There has been a fair amount of talk recently about unity and co-operation between all of the Amiga camps (OS3, OS4, AROS and MorphOS). Many of us are tired of the divisions that cause many arguments and slow down progess. What we'd like to see is more co-operation between developers and users, just like we had in the good old days.

We now have an opportunity to make progress with this, by supporting the bounty that will open-source the well known and popular Directory Opus Magellan 2 desktop environment.

Read more...


The bounty is hosted on the Power2People website, which has consistently proven to be trustworthy. Here is a direct link to the bounty:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/64



The purpose of the bounty is to collect sufficient funds to purchase the source code of GPSoftware's Directory Opus Magellan II (version 5.82, AmigaOS) for free use on Amiga (and Amiga-like) systems, under the AROS Public License, a derivative of the Mozilla Public License 1.1.

The bounty will be completed when $5600 USD has been raised (now we have 1700, 3900 still left), which gives enough money to meet the price GPSoftware has set for the release of the program source code to a public SVN repository.

So what will the release of the Directory Opus Magellan II source code mean? Firstly, we will have the sources of one of the best pieces of classic Amiga software ever created, free for any Amiga fan to use.

Secondly, as the program will be open-source, developers from all of the Amiga camps will be free to work on a common desktop environment, progressing the cause of unity between us.

Here's is a summary of the benefits, by separate platform, and in total:

--AROS--
Wanderer is the main desktop environment for AROS, but it's still in the early stages of maturity. Having Directory Opus Magellan will give AROS users a mature desktop environment they can use straight away. This takes the pressure away from Wanderer, as well as giving another choice for AROS users.

--AmigaOS4--
Whilst Workbench on OS4 is more polished than Wanderer on AROS, there are still some gaps in functionality that Directory Opus Magellan would be able to fill. Worth noting that, when the sources are available in the public SVN, there is already some os4 devs who want to plays with, exploring what is necessary to port it to OS4.

--MorphOS--
Ambient is the most advanced of all Amiga desktop environments, but there are still nice features found in Directory Opus Magellan II that aren't yet found in Ambient. Porting should be easy as the 68k version already works in MorphOS. To see how it looks running in MorphOS, check out jPV's tutorial

--OS3--
Even though official support for OS3 has stopped, there are still plenty of people interested in it, as well as unofficial addons/hacks. It is clear that there will be much interest in having updates to Directory Opus Magellan as well.

---The bigger picture: Progressing together---
The ports to the separate platforms are only the start of the story. The best news is any improvements made to this software will benefit everyone. Magellan II is great now for those that run it, but having access to the sources means we can make it even better for _ALL_ amiga and amiga like oses.



Short FAQ:

Q: Why are we spending money on this when we can improve our own software instead? Isn't it easier to implement more features in AmigaOS than to spend money replacing it?
A: We don't have many developers, and those we do have are too busy with their own projects to start making a cross-platform desktop. Directory Opus Magellan will be a great way to get this done quickly. Also, the work to improve AmigaOS wouldn't transfer to other Amiga platforms, whereas this work would.

Q: Isn't this software really outdated? Look at those ugly icons!
A: It is no problem at all to replace the icons. As for the age of the software, even MorphOS users that have access to Ambient still sometimes use Directory Opus Magellan. AROS and AmigaOS4 users should enjoy having access to such feature-rich software, with many features not available in their current desktop choices (Workbench, Wanderer or Scalos).

Q: Why is it so much money?
A: $5600 USD sounds like a lot of money for one person, but if we all work together, little by little we can raise the necessary funds.

Q: Who will port it to [insert OS of choice]?
A: Porting software is much easier in comparison with writing software from scratch, pretty much any developer can do it sooner or later. A few developers have already expressed an interest in starting the porting work.

Q: This bounty will only open up the source code, why is this such a good thing?
A: Apart from the chance to port Magellan to all Amiga platforms, it also gives us the chance to improve it.

Q: If we don't reach the bounty target, can we reuse the money elsewhere?
A: Up until the point the target is reached, you always have the choice to receive a refund for the money you've donated.

Q: Has anyone signed a contract with GPSoftware, ensuring that the money we donate will be handled correctly?
A: Power2People are the organisation handling the donations, and have proved themselves to be trustworthy, even with larger sums of money.

So let's reach into our wallets, and show we really want to support unity in the Amiga community, bringing ourselves a great piece of software in the process. Here's the bounty link again:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/64

We already collect 1/3. We can do it for real !

Thank you all.
    

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Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga and
Posted on 19-Mar-2012 16:34:16
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@Darrin

No you are not alone, never liked Magellan, but it would be a useful pool of code.

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@Darrin

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While I fully support this project and I hope it goes well, am I the only one who prefers DOpus 4?

I am also on Opus4 fan. I really only used magellan 5, in lister mode, rather than desktop replacement, and currently Opus4, and Filer meet my needs.
To be honest I would like the option to have Magellan on OS4, but I probably wouldn't use half it's functions (never did). If filer could do all the things the magellan lister mode did, I would be a happy bunny.


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Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga and
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As it mostly in C, its not so matter in what C it was done, as it can be transfered to GCC with no problems.


I took me two months or more of solid hacking to port AWeb from SASC to gcc, that's after Fabio (sorry forget his second name) had done alot of starting work on it.

All sorts of weird issue cropped up, may as well have been a different language.

So can it be transfered to gcc? yes, without probems? no.


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@Fairdinkem

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with the added bonus of being able to open and interact with multiple windows.

That's what I mean by lister mode, just double click on the workbench background and a lister opens, in the same way as filer does now. It was quite a thing at the time to open mutiple listers, rather than the two window pane of DOpus4.
For my own usage, update filer and I would be happy.


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Quote:
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How much will the source have to be edited just to make it compile with gcc and the current SDK?



Probably one or two weeks.


Do you plan on sleeping during those two weeks?


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One of the best and most usable things I loved a lot on Amiga is calling something like "MyComputer" [from PC] but on Amiga by doubleclicking with mouse anywhere on the screen. Then lister will appear and you will have "MyComputer" or Lister where you clicked.

This is exactly what filer does.


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the comments show not much insight so far. comparing class action or amidisk to dopus?

You are the first person to mention Class Action, or Amidisk, most people are comparing functionality between DOpus4 and Magellan.


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So can it be transfered to gcc? yes, without probems? no.


We will see how it will be once sources will be over our hands. There can be the same kind of problems as with aweb, but can be not as well. Until we not have sources, we can't even do anything about. But when we will have, even step by step, bit by bit, it can be trasnfered to gcc and ported, for sure.


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I never liked Megallan either. I would much rather see DOpus 4 be updated with Zune (MUI) look and maybe new functions.

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DOpus 5/Magellan was brilliant, and was extremely configurable... but as I recall it didn't come with any good set-ups, so it was useless until you spent ages configuring it. That could of course easily be fixed.

Filer for AmigaOS4 is a good (but less flexible) imitation of DOpus 5. I'd be quite happy to see Filer updated a bit more, but DOpus 5 would be good too.


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Posted on 19-Mar-2012 21:07:59
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Check out the power of Directory Opus Magellan II in AmiKit! It's fully configured and registered.

Q: Isn't this software really outdated? Look at those ugly icons!
We managed to force the Magellan to show modern DualPNG icons, check out the screenshots!

Magellan is a real "state-of-the-art" software on Amiga and I encourage everyone to donate to the bounty project.


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donation is made to Magellan.......


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A small donation made

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Posted on 20-Mar-2012 5:05:15
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@DJnick

You might want to think before you write guy.
You, a person who had a bounty set up to be given a Sam, so you can do something of no significance at all (plenty of gfx artists around) is now suggesting that people shouldnt "waste thier money" on something that's a lot more worthwhile?

Im happy for you to have been given a free Sam by the community, but sheesh guy, pull your head out.

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@ Darrin

Never liked Magellan like yourself I prefer the old style like DOpus 4 but my own personal choice is Dirwork 2 (a custom version that I made for myself after dissembling the original into it source and bugfixing it and adding new features)...



It's even more configurable & flexible than DOPus 4...

On the subject of AROS though and Wanderer, Workbench works fine on AROS considering it's development stage but I suppose Magellan would be nice for those who want to use it...

Just a thought... if Magellan works as it should then there should be no problem running it already on AROS...


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Do you plan on sleeping during those two weeks? :)


Absolutely. Here is link to AWebPPC port:

http://bigfoot.morphos-team.net/files/

It was ported in few days and included new features, too.


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I never liked Megallan either. I would much rather see DOpus 4 be updated with Zune (MUI) look and maybe new functions.


I updated Dopus 4 with MUI some years ago. I can't remember how complete it was but sources are on sf.net page.


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Mui and Magellan is ok.

I could not use a pc without Dopus.

Now PM me where to put the is it 20e ok?

PR

Edit. 1000 posts. Congrats?

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Just out of curiosity (i.e. it's not intended as an "which one is better"): what would be required to bring the already-free Scalos to an usable level?
I was never able to use it in a productive way (aka sometimes it badly crashes) neither on OS3 or OS4, but IIRC it was updated recently for AROS? (it was in Nikosidis' distro if i'm not mistaken)

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