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Software News   Software News : Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga and Amiga-like systems.
   posted by spotUP on 19-Mar-2012 1:03:39 (12304 reads)
There has been a fair amount of talk recently about unity and co-operation between all of the Amiga camps (OS3, OS4, AROS and MorphOS). Many of us are tired of the divisions that cause many arguments and slow down progess. What we'd like to see is more co-operation between developers and users, just like we had in the good old days.

We now have an opportunity to make progress with this, by supporting the bounty that will open-source the well known and popular Directory Opus Magellan 2 desktop environment.

Read more...


The bounty is hosted on the Power2People website, which has consistently proven to be trustworthy. Here is a direct link to the bounty:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/64



The purpose of the bounty is to collect sufficient funds to purchase the source code of GPSoftware's Directory Opus Magellan II (version 5.82, AmigaOS) for free use on Amiga (and Amiga-like) systems, under the AROS Public License, a derivative of the Mozilla Public License 1.1.

The bounty will be completed when $5600 USD has been raised (now we have 1700, 3900 still left), which gives enough money to meet the price GPSoftware has set for the release of the program source code to a public SVN repository.

So what will the release of the Directory Opus Magellan II source code mean? Firstly, we will have the sources of one of the best pieces of classic Amiga software ever created, free for any Amiga fan to use.

Secondly, as the program will be open-source, developers from all of the Amiga camps will be free to work on a common desktop environment, progressing the cause of unity between us.

Here's is a summary of the benefits, by separate platform, and in total:

--AROS--
Wanderer is the main desktop environment for AROS, but it's still in the early stages of maturity. Having Directory Opus Magellan will give AROS users a mature desktop environment they can use straight away. This takes the pressure away from Wanderer, as well as giving another choice for AROS users.

--AmigaOS4--
Whilst Workbench on OS4 is more polished than Wanderer on AROS, there are still some gaps in functionality that Directory Opus Magellan would be able to fill. Worth noting that, when the sources are available in the public SVN, there is already some os4 devs who want to plays with, exploring what is necessary to port it to OS4.

--MorphOS--
Ambient is the most advanced of all Amiga desktop environments, but there are still nice features found in Directory Opus Magellan II that aren't yet found in Ambient. Porting should be easy as the 68k version already works in MorphOS. To see how it looks running in MorphOS, check out jPV's tutorial

--OS3--
Even though official support for OS3 has stopped, there are still plenty of people interested in it, as well as unofficial addons/hacks. It is clear that there will be much interest in having updates to Directory Opus Magellan as well.

---The bigger picture: Progressing together---
The ports to the separate platforms are only the start of the story. The best news is any improvements made to this software will benefit everyone. Magellan II is great now for those that run it, but having access to the sources means we can make it even better for _ALL_ amiga and amiga like oses.



Short FAQ:

Q: Why are we spending money on this when we can improve our own software instead? Isn't it easier to implement more features in AmigaOS than to spend money replacing it?
A: We don't have many developers, and those we do have are too busy with their own projects to start making a cross-platform desktop. Directory Opus Magellan will be a great way to get this done quickly. Also, the work to improve AmigaOS wouldn't transfer to other Amiga platforms, whereas this work would.

Q: Isn't this software really outdated? Look at those ugly icons!
A: It is no problem at all to replace the icons. As for the age of the software, even MorphOS users that have access to Ambient still sometimes use Directory Opus Magellan. AROS and AmigaOS4 users should enjoy having access to such feature-rich software, with many features not available in their current desktop choices (Workbench, Wanderer or Scalos).

Q: Why is it so much money?
A: $5600 USD sounds like a lot of money for one person, but if we all work together, little by little we can raise the necessary funds.

Q: Who will port it to [insert OS of choice]?
A: Porting software is much easier in comparison with writing software from scratch, pretty much any developer can do it sooner or later. A few developers have already expressed an interest in starting the porting work.

Q: This bounty will only open up the source code, why is this such a good thing?
A: Apart from the chance to port Magellan to all Amiga platforms, it also gives us the chance to improve it.

Q: If we don't reach the bounty target, can we reuse the money elsewhere?
A: Up until the point the target is reached, you always have the choice to receive a refund for the money you've donated.

Q: Has anyone signed a contract with GPSoftware, ensuring that the money we donate will be handled correctly?
A: Power2People are the organisation handling the donations, and have proved themselves to be trustworthy, even with larger sums of money.

So let's reach into our wallets, and show we really want to support unity in the Amiga community, bringing ourselves a great piece of software in the process. Here's the bounty link again:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/64

We already collect 1/3. We can do it for real !

Thank you all.
    

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Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga and
Posted on 20-Mar-2012 8:57:19
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OS3 was allways better with TurboPrint, Ibrowse,DeluxePaint and Final Writer. With the all expensive camera from Malaga was good too. DigiView. It was funny to select the different colours. My Nokia has huge megapiksels compared to the A500-times..

Not talking about the games.. North&South,Super Cars,Deluxe Galaga,It Came From The Desert,Giana Sisters...


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@all
Lets be ontopic

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3528 USD left ;)

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Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga and
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@Nibu..

It was never in AspireOS. The reason for this is that AROS is working on a new ABI that is even more compatible with original OS 3.1

The problem with this new ABI is that it is far from finished. I can not upgrade AspireOS to use the new ABI yet, and therefore no ScaleOS.

So easy answer. ScaleOS is only for AROS new ABI.

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Some of you haven't mentionned a great functionnality in Dopus Magellan II (I'm registered user with original disks) which I found very very useful and easy of use :

The FTP function ! I used it a lot because it acts like a simple lister without any progress bar or transfers informations like in ATC or PeteFTP, etc.

For me, Magellan should be a piece of software for the AOS4 even if I wouldn't use it as a Workbench replacement.

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@franko:

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On the subject of AROS though and Wanderer, Workbench works fine on AROS considering it's development stage but I suppose Magellan would be nice for those who want to use it...

the whole philosophy behind aros is to have open source components, that may be freely distributed and updated. even if its a good sign that workbench works on aros (i didnt try) as a compatibility proof, it doesnt fall into this category being a spoken for commercial product. otherwise we could leave it at that and happily continue using workbench, y know.
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Just a thought... if Magellan works as it should then there should be no problem running it already on AROS...

if you mean aros68k, it works. though if you want to have it native on other architectures and update it, you need the source.

btw that dirwork looks not bad for a dopus4 clone, perhaps better that doscontrol i ever liked. is it freely available?

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Do you plan on sleeping during those two weeks? :)



Absolutely. Here is link to AWebPPC port:

http://bigfoot.morphos-team.net/files/

It was ported in few days and included new features, too.


Huh? That's clearly not the Morphos version of the 'official' AWeb port, amd more than half of it is missing, no aweblibs no awebconf etc etc.
The aweblibs were where most of the porting work was BTW.

I wonder if whoever did that fixed all the issues with argument execution order and stuff like that.

Anyway this is off topic for this thread.

[edit]
some of the aweblibs are there but all mixed up with the main source, didn't recognise them as the source tree has changed so much
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Just out of curiosity (i.e. it's not intended as an "which one is better"): what would be required to bring the already-free Scalos to an usable level? I was never able to use it in a productive way (aka sometimes it badly crashes) neither on OS3 or OS4, but IIRC it was updated recently for AROS? (it was in Nikosidis' distro if i'm not mistaken)

scalos is being worked on but not yet available to test, but you just remind me that i wanted to try the last available 68k version on aros 68k again. last time ive came only till splash screen, its a little difficult since aros has no appropriate instal tool yet.

edit: scalos on aros68k: just tried it again. installed alright with geits installer. it runs but not very well. prefs missing, displays no icons, perhaps some lib missing, we willsee.

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DOpus 5/Magellan was brilliant, and was extremely configurable... but as I recall it didn't come with any good set-ups, so it was useless until you spent ages configuring it. That could of course easily be fixed.


Yes. Addon packages always existed. I don't see config as a detriment. I see it as a strength.
The opportunity for users to create various configs for upload might draw out some creative individuals from the community. I don't mean just themes, icons, and/or artwork. I also mean effective config of buttons, filetypes, etc.

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@Nic

Fully agree. Ftp functionality was very useful. I also only used Dopus5 Magellan II for accessing ftp servers in good old os3 days. I'm also a registered user and a big fan since the first Dopus5 version.
Actually, I never foud Dopus4 as valuable as Dopus5 :)

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Some of you haven't mentionned a great functionnality in Dopus Magellan II (I'm registered user with original disks) which I found very very useful and easy of use


It starts to be frustrating to repeat same things over and over again. If there are people not knowing those points they'd better use search function :) Or someone could save the links for later use...

Anyway, I was diehard dopus4 fan earlier, claiming two view lists are the best and Magellan is too much and complicated etc etc still typical arguments. Until I was forced to try Magellan2 out and learn it. After few weeks I couldn't turn back. Two view filemanagement became very limited ancient relic from floppy based filemanagement compared to what Magellan2 offered... traditional way just wasn't up to heavy filemanagement and other uses. I just couldn't use any Amiga system without Magellan2 after late 90's and still can't. Magellan2 is just the best piece of software ever written to Amiga and it shouldn't be left in the limbo.

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@ Wawa

Ahh... I see now... I suppose that makes some sort of sense...

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btw that dirwork looks not bad for a dopus4 clone, perhaps better that doscontrol i ever liked. is it freely available?


Dirwork was given away for free many years ago on a Magazine coverdisc CD (Cant recall which one for now) and I can't remember which version was given away for free (I'll need to check)...

The version I showed a snapshot of is a version I created myself after disassembling the original into it's source code and bug fixing it and adding new features then re compiling it...

It can be configured endlessly and doesn't have to look like a file manager, you can for example use it as a workbench launchbar or as frontend for other progs utils you have, it is really only limited by your imagination just how you want to configure it and the purpose you want to use it for...


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Two view filemanagement became very limited

Therefore I prefer two-view-tabbed-filemanager... For my personal taste it's the best of both worlds...but I assume it's still a matter of taste and personal workflows...


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@all

stop arguing, start donating for this indisputable master piece of software ;)

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Donation made. Hope this happens!


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There we go! My donation is in! :D


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@spot

Yeah ! Now we at 2300 ! 3300 left ! Soon we will at 50%, and then, everything should looks like "soon we will reach the goal". Sadly that some ppls just do not want one more piece of SW to see , and do not understand that its only better, that we not have any free developers who will do something really modern for any of the os, that is better to spend time on porting and fixing , in compare with nothing (because no one will write anything from scratch in general, as no time, no resources, no motivaion and other crap). And that 5600 is nothing in terms of "commercical stuff".

Sure, app old, but as all the other stuff on amigas and all the oses. But do we want everything for free ? All that crying about summs, only kill any kind of commercical stuff on all the oses. We buy HW for 3000, but we do not want to spend 5000 to have one more good app ! Of course we will reach summ in end (even if only who already donated, will donate montly for next 6 monts), but its all can be faster ..

ps. Donated as well

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@all
By the way, forget to add, that we will contact GPSoft once we will reach only 3000, with wods like "hey, we alrady have 3000, its not 5600, but its better than nothing, maybe lets deal for 3000?". There is some chance that they will agree (as they step by step lower to summ till 5k in end, so it will worth of try to ask even on the 3k stage).

What i mean : lets collect 3000 faster and try it. Worth of shot. If they will say no, then we will collect 2600 more, but maybe we will lucky enough.


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@all
~2500 now, 3100 left. Almost 50% already


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