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Internet News   Internet News : Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
   posted by damocles on 21-Mar-2012 4:52:07 (36561 reads)
After 20 years since the last Commodore Amiga was released, the first new Commodore Amiga will be released by mid May, and this time in a Mini case. It comes with two options, barebones and fully loaded with i7 2600K [3.5GHz Quadcore] + nVidia 430 (with it's own discreet 1GB of RAM).

Full details can be found at CommodoreUSA.
    

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I am doing nothing of the sort. I am asking our userbase why this behavior is accepted towards Commodore USA and not against Hyperion. Big difference, I am not talking about Commodore USA at all.

That said, I will remember this thread when the AmigaOS 4.x crowd says they do not troll in other camps threads. Yes, that I will.

first of all 'this sort of behavior' is indeed accepted toward OS4 topics on this site, at least considering (until recently) lack of moderation in such threads. i would put to you that this thread has been appropriately moderated for the most part. if i had my way i'd see such standards applied globally on the site.

secondly 'commodore USA' is not a 'camp' which is related to anything other than the brand. it shares no technology, no legacy, no history with the classic amiga platform whatsoever. moreover the behavior of its principals is consistently unpleasant and contemptuous of this community, its presence on this site is rather unpopular at any level, and posting it on the main page is something that many of the regulars had thought had been ended.

i highly recommend the site management consider well the reaction of its members -- time and again -- to these guys and their 'news' items and threads. the previous policy made sense. i'd suggest sticking to it.

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Why bother, it's only a website...

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I am doing nothing of the sort. I am asking our userbase why this behavior is accepted towards Commodore USA and not against Hyperion.


Because CUSA tries to sell "hot air" (reinventing the wheel) - offering what is already avail while pretending to be "creating new OS", being both as Commodore and Amiga since day one (not just CUSA licencing the name), holds no really new product and development and bashes all camps.

Simply,CUSA way of PR is the cause, its not trolling because someone dislikes some one elses progress (like it happens) or direction. There is no direction and real progress in terms of software and hardware. Only C64x barebone case is really new.

My voice is that its because WHAT and HOW they do what they do. Once they change their attitude, surely most of users will respond to it.

As latest examples, Mint owners were not angry because someone spreads Mint (true Linux attitude), just wanted formal partnership and were dazzled while CUSA contacted them, and then disappeared from radar or any real support and partnership.
What happened to e.g. latest "Community challenge". Is anyone in charge of it? Any set dates, any designs? And that is just latest, not to mention sneaky details from the past.

While there is trolling of any other camps progress just because of dislike, with CUSA its much more knowledgeable criticism of their whole concept of OEM reselling, even without real partnership and licencing beside Amiga Inc one.

Forget the Amiga name and history abuse, none of these moves boost trust in flagship. And people really loved idea there will be big company behind Amiga again, when it started. Myself suggested them to support and help Amikit and AROS development if not x86 port of the OS. Disappointment by disappointing .... gets you here.


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I assemble pcs every month and sell them, does that make me Commodore?


If you have right to Commodore tradeamark, yes. The original CBM sold PC clones.

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I have no idea about programming a computer or writing an OS, Hyperion, MOS and AROS people do. Do CUSA?


Is it a requirement? Commodore didnt build the original Amiga themselves. They didnt write AmigaOS and had only few persons working on it. It even included parts of other operating systems.

But no, I am not still fan of Commodore USA. I am not interested to buy their products but I could if they had something interesting to me. I could buy Commodore Amiga laptop running Windows XP if it was sold at decent price at local shop and I needed one.


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But you would not see it as amiga, just one brand like DELL, COMPAQ, HP or any other...

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@thread

Posted earlier today courtesy @Middleman:

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You may like to know I've just been told today by CUSA on Facebook that there will be cheaper versions of the fully built Amiga Minis.


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@number6

well, surprise, surprise. given the feedback across the interwebs, that seems a rather obvious start at damage control. but one that is positive, both for potential customers as well as their own sales volume. it works out better for everyone.

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well, surprise, surprise. given the feedback across the interwebs, that seems a rather obvious start at damage control. but one that is positive, both for potential customers as well as their own sales volume. it works out better for everyone.

I disagree. The original Commodore Amiga was something special, and this one should be as well. In this case the best way to do that is to reflect it in the price.

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I disagree. The original Commodore Amiga was something special, and this one should be as well.


Could they not have a unique use in mind that sets it apart?

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All,

I think Commodore making a new Amiga is a good thing. Yea, a little pricey, but so is the ACUBE offering. The only difference here is, the Commodore offering is modern, widely available parts, not ancient and slower PPC offerings. Also, what made the original Amiga so cool was the OS. Yes the Commodore OS is based off of Linux Mint, but it feels, looks and sounds cool. I hate to say it, but I don't get the cool vibe from Amiga OS 4.1 - I do get that feeling from Commodore's OS.

The other thing I find funny is the amount of bickering that people do in this forum and various other forums on this site about Amiga systems. Years ago, we were complaining about no one having systems, or enough systems, for our hobby computer. Now we have plenty of options, but people have their own ideas about what the Amiga should be and people in general have complained about almost everything.

1 - Be grateful we have anything, people who put out Amiga did so because of their love of the system (As well as to make money)
2 - If you believe you could do a better job at making an "Amiga" go for it ! Some users have actually done so (Minimig as an example)
3 - We're a small community; let's try to get along, regardless of which Amiga we do choose.

Just my 2 cents, thanks for reading.


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Yes the Commodore OS is based off of Linux Mint, but it feels, looks and sounds cool. I hate to say it, but I don't get the cool vibe from Amiga OS 4.1 - I do get that feeling from Commodore's OS.


Agree situation is way better then ever before. We now just face heavy prices and lack of additional software, COS overrides by using existing Linux. And people should help every real hardware or software development, must say to me it feels AmigaOS,AROS and MorphOS are on edge of becoming much more usable systems then ever before, unlike COS that offers what is available to the system most of us already have and at way high additional cost. But that is just way of thinking, not so cool one.

For full COS with emulation packages, you need also to buy $2000 hardware.

Enjoy the coolness, and I am glad you at least know what are you investing in (full awareness what they are).

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Why bother, it's only a website...


Amiga Community Website and recommended in e.g. OS4 manual.

You know that they emulate they own community at Commodore-Amiga.org and those two, beside sharing some enthusiasm and users of the past real Commodore Amigas, share very little in common.

Or if taking their models as news
why not posting of every ASUS, Dell, Acer, HP etc. PC new model?

It shares exactly the same software and hardware abilities as CUSA products even with a bit more innovation.

Example, there is their VIC Mini that is very alike Amiga mini in form factor just is no Amiga logo engraved and Atom based. Is that an Amiga related news?

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@vox


Could you just go start AmigaOSworld.net and be happy arguing with yourself?

Thanks that would be great. :)


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@terminills

it's been mentioned via their facebook page that they'll be offering lower cost versions of the 'amiga mini' when it is available for sale. do you know if they've announced prices/configs for the cheaper builds yet?

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it's been mentioned via their facebook page that they'll be offering lower cost versions of the 'amiga mini' when it is available for sale. do you know if they've announced prices/configs for the cheaper builds yet?


They have not been announced yet. I don't know the exact date for when the specs will be announced at this time either.

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Could you just go start AmigaOSworld.net and be happy arguing with yourself? Thanks that would be great. :)


Yes, would be, but sadly this one is recommended AmigaOS forum.

And gladly there is CUSA "support" forum where this kind of news belong.
Having this kind of "news" there only would be great. Thanks.


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it's been mentioned via their facebook page that they'll be offering lower cost versions of the 'amiga mini' when it is available for sale. do you know if they've announced prices/configs for the cheaper builds yet?


VIC Mini is $1000 but Atom based,4GB RAM. Change the case, and voila there
is "new" cheaper "Amiga" mini.


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>>If you have right to Commodore tradeamark, yes. The original CBM sold PC clones.


Come on man...you know what I mean...the real Commodore.

>>Is it a requirement? Commodore didnt build the original Amiga themselves. They didnt write AmigaOS and had only few persons working on it. It even included parts of other operating systems.

Of course it is. Commodore did finance all the good and bad developments, stop trying to spin it.

>> I could buy Commodore Amiga laptop running Windows XP if it was sold at decent price at local shop and I needed one.

Why would you want to do that? And with Windows XP! At least get 7 it boots faster and switches off faster, win win!


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@thread

for punters interested, el reg has put up an article on this which is actually fairly neutral, if not complementary. following the trend elsewhere, the comments? not so much.



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VIC Mini is $1000 but Atom based,4GB RAM. Change the case, and voila there is "new" cheaper "Amiga" mini.

dunno. i'm actually interested to see if they take the 'feedback' from potential customers on places like engadget, the verge, et al to heart. they can recover from this easily with just a substantial price drop. let's see what they come up with.

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