Article by Walt Mossberg on C= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mossberg

http://allthingsd.com/20120321/forget-the-ultrabook-go-with-the-new-commodore/?mod=tweet

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no, not walter mossberg. lauren goode. and, just as elsewhere, the comments show that most people see right through this non-sensical attempt to pass off off-the-shelf bits that anyone can buy -- right now -- as a 'commodore amiga.'

pathetic.

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Keep them coming! Brilliant!

I wonder how much you get paid...maybe not in money but goods?

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Photoshopped... never... that's a reputable site they would never do such a thing...

It's as real and genuine as any CUSA fake Amiga product and just like the Loch Ness Monster who lives in my back garden pond ( i have the photos to prove it)...

Have to say though the past 48 hours or so have been great fun for me posting on all those tech review sites, it's almost become a new form of entertainment...

Seriously though, if you read all the public comments on them they are really quite scathing of this whole CUSA BS, seems folk have learned from the CUSA fake C64 shambles and now no longer trust this company which has Barry back peddling quicker than a trick cyclist...


Mind you Barry has hit back today with his next plan for world domination...



Look like we're all set to have thousands of "CUSA Stores" worldwide where you can take the whole family for a day out and have good laugh at these overpriced marvels...

Be good in the winter time though, all that heat generated by them you could wander in their in your beach gear and still be nice and warm...

Wonder if Barry's worldwide chain of new stores will pass the local health & safety fire regulations, dodgy one that...

Coming soon to a dark dingy side street near you, be careful to dodge the drunks and prostitutes (and Dammy) on your way there...

This gets better every day, wonder who write his material, must've hired the Python team methinks...

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Could we please leave out the name calling? Why is there a constant need to use derogatory terms all the time?

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you're quite right. that was unnecessary. i apologize unreservedly. post has been edited.

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Is COS V what was originally being called COS2? Or is COS2 still on the horizon? I was lead to believe that COS2 would be released with the Commodore Amiga and would be a totally new OS. COSV is still a Linux variant like COS1, according to the Commodore USA website. Cheers

Meant to ask this question of you before but totally missed the @Damocles bit.
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Just curious, but what's with all the CUSA hating? You seem hell bent on denouncing their offerings as an Amiga, let alone a "True Amiga," because it's not really Commodore and it doesn't use AmigaOS. The days of the 68K Hardware, the old Commodore and OS 1-3.X are gone, forever. Now we had a little legal spat between Amiga INC and Hyperion awhile ago and we, as Amiga users, waited with hopes of a new OS and hardware to emerge from someone- anyone, to re-live/continue the Amiga spirit. I say spirit, because the Amiga – the true Amiga, died years ago and all we have is what we're given and can use.

In my opinion, Amiga is now either ACUBE's offering, Commodore USA's offering, Amiga Forever and even to a point, AROS. If you get the same kind of vibe you had when you first fired up any of the Amigas, if you can operate your programs and have FUN with your computer, with any of the above mentioned "Amigas," why not call it an Amiga and call it a day? In the end, if we all have Amigas and work towards helping each other and our Amiga community, we all win. If we spend too much energy blasting the "Fake" Amigas and attack each other, we're no better than the Windows community and truly have died as a dedicated Amiga group. We know we're better than Win/MAC. Sometimes, we have trouble showing that and remembering that, by the way we act in these forums. Thanks.

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Maybe I'm completely wrong about this, in which case please prove me so...

... but to me it seems like C=USA have just photoshopped "Commodore Amiga" on a standard case, and released specs (that don't work), and now they want "resellers" to do all the hard work (and - more importantly - take all the risk).

What have C=USA actually done except said "look, if you take this case, and put in this, this and this, then you get to call it a Commodore Amiga"?
Have they designed an OS? No. COS Vision is just Linux Mint with a ton of stuff downloaded and a blue wallpaper.
Have they designed hardware? No, they're using off-the-shelf components.
Are they taking a risk? No, they're letting the re-sellers buy the stock and try and sell it (At least that's the idea, it seems).
At least with the C64x they made the case themselves, even if it did have major heating problems.

So again - I ask - what are C=USA actually doing except releasing "recommended specs", slapping a few logos on a customer PC, and reaping in all the profits while the "resellers" buy machines that won't work and won't sell?

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Just curious, but what's with all the CUSA hating? You seem hell bent on denouncing their offerings as an Amiga, let alone a "True Amiga," because it's not really Commodore and it doesn't use AmigaOS. The days of the 68K Hardware, the old Commodore and OS 1-3.X are gone, forever. Now we had a little legal spat between Amiga INC and Hyperion awhile ago and we, as Amiga users, waited with hopes of a new OS and hardware to emerge from someone- anyone, to re-live/continue the Amiga spirit. I say spirit, because the Amiga – the true Amiga, died years ago and all we have is what we're given and can use.

To satisfy part of your curiosity here is my answer...

I don't hate CUSA I despise them and sincerely hope to see them go bankrupt...

There are many reasons why I feel like this and most of them can be found on CUSA threads over on Amiga.org, so I won't bother to repeat them here as they are easy enough to find...

To you the days of 68K hardware may be gone but to me they are not and will continue to live on as long as I do...

I don't care about the "spat" between A.inc & Hyperion and have no hopes or wishes for a new AmigaOS (OS.35 suit my needs perfectly) hardware wise I look forward to the NatAmi hopefully becoming a reality and nothing else...

You may consider the Amiga died years ago but I do not, I still use them everyday and always shall do so they are far from dead as far as I'm concerned...

All of my opinions on the Amiga and what I see them as being have already been stated on this site and others, so again there is no point in me repeating them here as they are easy enough to find if you are that interested in them...

PS: I know it's only "curiosity" on your part but you really shouldn't bother about what I have to say on anything as at the end of the day it should have no bearing on how you view the Amiga and it's situation or indeed be something to be concerned about, they are my views and opinions, nothing more, nothing less...

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Just buying an obsolete C= name and putting a sticker on something completely different does not change what it is - or more to the point isn't !

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You can keep saying that to the mirror all you want, not going to change the fact that there is a new Commodore Amiga series coming out.

It's just the other way around, you look in the mirror & keep tell yourself its a new amiga.

There is zero connection between cusa & any Amiga any of us has ever used. Cusa may pick up a different following, but you'll never be the real thing, just that simple.

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@ Franko:

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Mind you Barry has hit back today with his next plan for world domination...

Nice. Here's a post I made a very long time ago stating what I thought C=USA's plans were and why they were overhyping the company:

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It seems to me the business plan is to have lots of people use their saving to set themselves up as "official Commodore dealers", spend THEIR money to order stock, C-USA then buys units for the actual manufactures to manufactuers at a huge discount to what the "official dealers" will pay with no risk involved, slap a C= sticker on them, ship them to the dealers and then sit back and watch while the official dealers struggle to sell their already overpriced stock at an even higher price. This would explain why C-USA are so militant against any negative posts as the last thing they want are potential investors Googling their past antics. It also explains the massive hype. Nobody is going to be keen on investing in a company run from a tiny Mall shop in Florida. You need to make bold claims about being partners with Disney, owning your own OS, having massive factories in China and hundreds of thousands of waiting customers eager to part with huge sums of cash. It's a brilliant plan, but not exactly original. Other companies do it with womens' makeup, health food and other assorted tat every day.

I thought it strange then that nobody on the C=USA side really wanted to address my posts and now we know why: I was correct. :)

When I was asked whether it was possible I said:

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It doesn't need to go anywhere in the long run, just in the short run because the LLC can fold up and then the people behind it just start up another business. Meanwhile, the people operating the actual dealerships are left with the expensive equipment and the financial woes. Mind you, some do work. It is no different to selling Tupperware, Avon or Mary Kay. As long as there are people willing to invest some money then the business will continue. The lure of becomming your own boss and "making millions working from home" is quite powerful and there are lots of people offering to help you achieve this as seen by the constant TV ads, magazine ads and even posters nailed to telegraph poles all over the USA. Can I interest you in some osterich eggs? http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/...ents/wacky.htm

and then finally I wrote C=USA a possible sales pitch (if they use it I want to get paid!):

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That said, imagine you know nothing about C=USA's past antics and you receive this sales pitch: "Hi, I'm the CEO of Commodore USA and I have a unique business plan for select people like you which is guaranteed to make you rich! Interested? You bet you are, and together we are going to make more money than you imagined. Do you know what was the biggest selling personal computer in the world? The Commodore 64! It sold millions all over the world and hardware and software is still being produced for it today. Well, we're back. We've already launched a brand new model called the C64x with our partners Disney and sold out in just a few months. Demand exceeded my wildest expectation so much that I had to put back plans to supply a major high street retail chain with hundreds of thousands of units! So, you must be asking yourself "How does this affect me?". Well, I've had a major rethink based on the success so far. Why should we give these computers to a major retailer who avoids taxes, pays their staff minimum wage and who has no enthusiasm for the product? Why don't I just harness the energy of a select few. A select and highly motivated bunch of people like yourselves who are willing to work hard and achieve the American Dream! Who here wants to be rich? Show me your hands, who wants to be rich? Yeah, we all do and together we're going to be. Rich and successful! You see, together as a team we can have a combined buying power as great as HP or Dell which lowers the purchasing cost of components. Using my extensive network of contacts and factories in China and my established transportation network we could buy $1000 state-of-the-art machines and sell them easily for $2000 or more! Yes, that's right, you can double your money instantly and then keep on doubling it! I produce the computers and have them shipped to the USA where they are configured for the customer. You gentlemen pay a small fee to become an elite Commodore authorised Dealer and then purchase a minimum stock from me each month or quarter in order to meet your demand. I ship the units directly to you. You sell them and you can make thousands of dollars each month! Imagine you invest $5,000 to buy 5 machines. You sell them for $10,000 and you have made a profit of $5000 for that month! Now imagine you reinvest all of that $10,000 and buy 10 machines the next month and sell them for $20,000, you've made $15,000 in just two months! Now do it again for the next month and then the next month... do you know how much you could make in 1 year? Do you? I'll tell you... over 20 MILLION DOLLARS! 20 MILLION! Not bad for a $5000 investment, eh? Imagine investing $10,000! Anyone here making $20,000,000 a year? No? Anyone here want to make $20,000,000 a year? Yeah, I thought so. OK, who is ready to sign up?"

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More on the reseller thing. Leo just posted this.

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There will be a more formalised agreement with dealers....but these are pretty much the basics.

All responsibilities, such as hardware support and warranties, are entirely on the dealers of course....should something go wrong.
I also imagine there will be a clause about conformance to various price structures, particularly when the same components are used that we do.

Support for Commodore OS Vision on any machine whatsoever would be up to the dealers.
(even if identical to our own configurations)
I also imagine that the dealers will be able to obtain Commodore OS cheaply from us, in a manner yet to be determined.


http://i.imgur.com/8ivHy.png

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One question which I'm not sure has been asked -- well, I did ask it on the CUSA site, but they deleted the thread it was in -- do these new amiga minis use the sandy bridge or upcoming ivy bridge cpus?

I believe they are also using desktop cpus.... and a tiny case. Anyone else see a problem with this? Sandy bridges do get somewhat warm, even in mobile form. Yes, desktop versions will work in a small case, but I wonder how for how long? I also expect CUSA doesn't exactly have a giant hardware R & D department, so it's not like they tested these machines (nor have any built yet), to see how they hold up.

Just wondering if 2 years from now everyone's mini will die from heat stroke. The problem with heat isn't necessarily short term, but it does make pc parts die off much faster in the long run.

If anyone is interested in the mini, I suggest waiting until others buy it first, then hopefully they provide some heat sensor readings.

The other oddity is the choice of graphics card. I realize that because of the case a better card can't be put in there. But why design a machine with a killer CPU + wimpy graphics? I just find it weird as to who this machine will appeal too... small form factor (good for htpc)... great cpu (not needed for htpc).... lousy graphics (bad for gaming, video). It's a weird combination.

The Amiga mini as it is now won't melt 2 years from now because they'll die after 2 minutes - the PSU is woefully inadequate for these specs.

The reason for the wimpy graphics is because the board I believe has a slot for adding a graphics card - but it was never designed for the case. The case is designed (by a Chinese company) for HTPC, not for this.

I suspect their "R&D department" is Barry, Leo and the customers.

This Amiga Mini will never be released - it can't work. The case is completely wrong for the specs they're quoting.

But of course, if your resellers are going to be taking the blame, then what the hey? Who cares what happens while you rake in the money? Or maybe I'm just a cynic, who knows?

Its a great viral scheme.
Classic Multilevel marketing.

Other OEM rebranders licence and sell for CUSA without any cost of CUSA.

But we`ll see how many people will basically invest in CUSA that way.

Don`t forget gazillions of promised new Amigas ... just keep em sticking

Darrin explained it brilliantly via future Commodore reseller campaign

Great test of intelligence vs greed

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you do know that its not even running AmigaOS or any of the clones right?
So where is the Amiga in all of this CUSA Amiga thing?

Not that i care anymore but CUSA for me is like AmigaInc, its there, i know of it ..but i won't ever support it (again).


OK... one thing would interest me , make a Zipstick or a Comp.Pro joystic with an Amiga inside and a tv out*/hdmi, i'd buy that in a heart beat.

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OK... one thing would interest me , make a Zipstick or a Comp.Pro joystic with an Amiga inside and a tv out*/hdmi, i'd buy that in a heart beat.

A Jeri Ellsworth Amiga you mean?

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A Jeri Ellsworth Amiga you mean?

What about a Dr Hepler Amiga? :P

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