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Internet News   Internet News : Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
   posted by damocles on 21-Mar-2012 4:52:07 (36562 reads)
After 20 years since the last Commodore Amiga was released, the first new Commodore Amiga will be released by mid May, and this time in a Mini case. It comes with two options, barebones and fully loaded with i7 2600K [3.5GHz Quadcore] + nVidia 430 (with it's own discreet 1GB of RAM).

Full details can be found at CommodoreUSA.
    

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Re: Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
Posted on 21-Mar-2012 18:22:04
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Commodore Amiga 1000 and Commodore Amiga 1000X are both Commodore Amigas. The original is 68K based and the latest is x86_64 based. What other companies want to call their systems, is their business, this is about Commodore Amiga.


In terms of AmigaOS, same could be said different way.

68k A1000 runs AmigaOS 1.x
PPC A1 x1000 runs Amiga OS 4.x

CommodoreUSA AmigaMini and later run Mint.

How other companies name their systems, is their business, even it would be fairer to call it CommodoreUSA whatever. But licence has been paid and needs to bring profit ages.

This is about Amiga(OS) not using Amiga name per se

And both are true.

Strange that X1000 went out of vapor before, even its far hugher effort to built a new board and OS drivers then just mod a case and get PC components.


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The real question to me is who in their right mind would plonk down several thousand dollars for a system that can't even run the latest games? You put down that money you don't expect a graphics card that's incapable of coming close to keeping up with the rest of the system. For that cash I'd expect an SLI system, not a budget integrated GPU with no possibility of upgrade.
At that kind of cash levels, you're talking luxury personal item - no business would give it a second glance. So who exactly will buy it?
Gamers? No chance.
Business people? Nope.
People who are willing to pay $1000 just for the sake of having "Commodore Amiga" written on a generic Chinese case? YES!

Having such powerful stats and yet having such a low GPU smacks of a company that just took a case and tried to shove all the most powerful parts in they could find, and when it came to the GPU, they tried to find a way to put it in and couldn't. That also explains the week's delay in the "Massive Announcement" - they were trying to find a GPU to put in it probably!

This machine wasn't designed, it's just a collection of items put together. If it was designed there would never such a ridiculous design decision as the integrated budget GPU.

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I find the whole CUSA situation interesting, but not necessarily in a good way. It's interesting in the way one looks at a business plan that has a lot of flaws...

I sometimes visit their site, occasionally offer opinions and generally try to be objective.

I tried out COS, with a somewhat open mind. I have nothing against Linux, but their version of it is made for someone with ADD. It's like they threw the kitchen sink in, with every possible graphical effect (and I should add basically useless effects), to provide a 'wow' factor. And to those new to Linux, perhaps it will wow them. For 5 minutes. Then you quickly reach for the button to turn off all of the annoying effects on the screen. Then you uninstall and do a fresh re-install of Mint or Ubuntu.

As for the new hardware, it's about what one would expect. Overpriced, using generic hardware... nothing special really. For a short run sort of production, i am guessing they will maximize profits this way, by having such a high markup. Not a terrible business plan, but I'm not sure how it's sustainable long term.

I also think they are overestimating the number of people who are willing to pay $2500+ for an Amiga system, which is of course simply a regular PC + Linux. It may sound mean, but their customer base would have to primarily be those who used to own an Amiga, who remember it fondly, who have a lot of expendable cash -- and are extremely dumb/have no knowledge of current hardware. It's like their business plan is relying on people being stupid.

For $2500 (for a mini), one could buy every model of Apple Mac mini available (3 in total, including the server), or a 27" iMac (with a $1000 screen), or a rather decked out Alienware, or about four regular i5 desktops.

And that's overlooking the fact that Ivy Bridges are coming out very soon, making the Mac Mini outdated before it's even released.

It's a shame really. I don't have a problem with a new Commodore releasing Intel machines. To me, they'd need some link to an actual Amiga to call a machine an Amiga though, even if a tenuous connection (Amiga desktop/GUI w/ OS3 compatibility + Linux kernel would do it for me). Or they should just go full-blown retro, forget PCs, go with custom cases, FPGA systems, etc. Instead they are going in-between, trying to be unique, but in reality, they aren't.

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@Nameless :

Very well said. I'd also like to add that I think it would be a terrible idea for them to release a Commodore Amiga 1000X. All they would do is muddy the water for customers trying to purchase the latest and greatest "Amiga". They would do themselves and their competition a disservice by naming their product so closely to another.

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I don't see how they can call this thing an Amiga. This is a gross missuse of the Amiga logo?


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Good to see new Commodore Amiga!

However, such price is horrible.



PS: A4000T and A4000/030 were released (or at least announced) in 1993 same for CD32... (In the original post: After 20 years since the last Commodore Amiga was released...)

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atleast one thing is true to the Amiga heritage... THE PRICE!


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I also think they are overestimating the number of people who are willing to pay $2500+ for an Amiga system, which is of course simply a regular PC + Linux. It may sound mean, but their customer base would have to primarily be those who used to own an Amiga, who remember it fondly, who have a lot of expendable cash -- and are extremely dumb/have no knowledge of current hardware. It's like their business plan is relying on people being stupid.


Amiga users are now grown up and should have quite a cash, not anymore teens that have to beg the parents. But shouldn`t be stupid either.

Good summary, thanks.

Such gaps as mentioned GPU that can`t be upgraded are doom for such small model.


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That would be a nice case for real Amigas.


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That would be a nice case for real Amigas.


$345 for BareBone


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@KimmoK

Not really. It's a $64 case without Amiga markings. And you are confined to a really small space to work in. It's also too Mac mini for me (and I own a Mac mini). If going for that style, just buy a real Mac mini.

And due to their style choices, comparisons with Mac minis are inevitable. Apple can overcharge due to reputation and OS. CUSA doesn't have that luxury (and are overcharging even more than Apple does).

I do like their 1000 series cases a bit better. But am almost afraid to think of what they will charge for those, both cases and full systems.

I also find their Vic Mini a strange choice. $1000 for an atom mini? Really? A high end Apple mini, i7 model, costs the same. It's like buying a $200 PC with an $800 case (that costs $64 without logos).

If they ever did release a nice tower case, at a reasonable price (meaning equivalent to what cases normally go for), I'd consider it one day. But I never see that happening. I expect we'll see peripherals next, like a $150 mouse with an Amiga Logo, or $300 keyboard -- an exaggeration (I hope), but that's basically what they are doing with their PCs.

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@djrikki

Whether this deserves to be on the front page or not, I won't comment on.

But I believe such threads should remain, primarily as a way to inform those who may be interested in such a CUSA system as to what they are actually getting.

There may be former Amiga people out there considering a CUSA machine. Yet they may not understand it's not the same Amiga as they once owned, not the same OS, and it's overpriced. By allowing an open discussion here, I think we are doing a service.

And if anyone wants a CUSA Amiga, I'm also fine with that. It's their money and of course they can decide what they want for themselves. But I think it's important that they understand the difference between their old Amiga and the current one. And also understand what the hardware they are getting is typically valued at.

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Poster: gerograph Date: 21-Mar-2012 14:11:50

I like the case, seems it is available on ebay. What do you think how much would those engravements cost ? Would be nice to put my SAM440 mini in it.


I like the case too. I might even buy two of them from the original manufacturer for $64 each.

I just need to find a good quality engraving company to put what ever logo I choose to put on it and buy my own optical drive of my choice inside of it.

I am thinking one of them might make a nice case for my FPGA Arcade Replay board. That is it will be a nice case for the Replay once it also has the planned daughter board that has USB ports to control a USB DVD+/-RW drive.

All I need to do is figure out what kind of logo, and/or text I want to have engraved into it, since I am not an artist. The engraving can't be worth the $160 to $175 that CUSA is charging for their stickers and engraved Amiga & C= logo's. Maybe some talented Amiga artist will come up with a really cool design for the FPGA Arcade Replay that will tie it in with the fact that it can run almost all Amiga software.

I don't think engraving should cost that much and for my own personal use, I don't have to pay any license fee to Amiga Inc. for using the name Amiga on my case, or any other design I decide to engrave into the case.

The second case could make a nice HTPC Hackintosh case for the living room next to the TV and entertainment equipment. An x86 Hackintosh can run almost anything and run it very well, except the two Amiga inspired PPC operating systems that I like so much, but I already have hardware to run those two OSes at very good speeds.

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$2495 to $3490

If I could afford one of them, I'd rather have an X1000.


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this is absolutely hilarious. they stuff an off-the-shelf ITX board into an off-the-shelf case -- which you can get on ebay for $65, by the way -- and are charging $2500 for it. oh, and it includes linux mint with a couple of themes and wallpapers.

That means the incuded blu-ray writer is only .....................




Wait for it!!





$295.


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