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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : AmigaOS4 programming: new article and announcement of book.
   posted by kas1e on 21-Mar-2012 22:58:26 (6827 reads)
Few months ago i start to works on some programming related book for amigaos4, and as side effect, some time before i made an small article called "GDB For Beginners", which you can read on http://os4coding.net, here.

Purposes of the whole book, its to cover amigaos4 internals, kernel internals, disassembling and debugging techniqs, ppc-assembler, utilities and tools which help when you debug programms and so on. In other words, book are not for application programmers, but mostly for the low-level coders who in interest in low-level stuff. Thorugh, i hope, it will be interesting to read and to other programmers who in interest in amigaos4.


The text of the book will be proof-readed and fixed for grammars, book will have bunch of images and all the other stuff, to make it professionaly looking and interesting to reads. Initial version will be done in the PDF, but real paper version if planned of course (through, that depends).

For all of this, your help is need it if you want to see full work to be done.

Currently i publish one more article: at this time not for very beginners, and that one cover a bit more aspects, as well as i trying to do article more proffesional, good looking and intersting to read in compare with first one. Its can be called like "example chapter", by which you can make an opinion about how book will be done, and it it worht of it at all.

The reasson to publish that article is to see, if there is interest from aos4 user base to see full book to be done, and if publishing of this kind of articles in beetwen are intersting at all, or it waste of time. So, if you found all of this worthwise, make a donation, because by donations i can see if interest is real one or not. To add, to make book proffesionaly done, i need to spend money for proof-readers, for proffessional painters outside (becase amiga painters have no time mostly for making quality stuff in which they not involved directly).

Purposes of new article are to cover some areas which wasnt covers anythere else, nor in SDK, nor as 3d party tutorials, and that is:

-- Differences and internals of libc (newlib in our case)
-- Differences beetwen amigaos4 and unix from programming point of view
-- Internals of ELF format on amigaos4, parsing of elfs
-- Basics of GDB and objdump
-- Programming on assembler for amigaos4 in different ways
-- and all the other small bits here and here.


You can read the article online at os4coding.net HERE or download PDF version with all the examples HERE


I know, lately there was too much bountyes and asking for donations from different persons and different kind of projects, but that how it works: if you want everything progress faster, there is need to spend something for.

Currently, i do not create any bounty for book (what i will do later), but i just want to see if it even worth to worry. Planes to get starting donations in summs of 200$ (money will be spends beetwen me and Trixie (who do proof-reading and grammar corrections). Once we will reach 200, i will create a bounty which will exactly cover the book and all the stuff.

Bonty will be necessary as there will need some money for proof-readers and those who will fix english grammars, for graphics painters (to make some first/end pages), and as i say before, to make everything going fast, i mostly will recruit someone outside on the payment basics. There is already some work done, but sure it will be good to cover all by donations.

You also feel free to suggest the questions which will be covered in upcoming articles which can fits to the book later, if they will really worthwile to discuss deeply and worth to including to book of such kind. Plans are publish such kind of articles in meanwhile, while works on the book is ongoing.

At the end, big thanks going to Frank Wille with his never endles help, and to Trixie, who make a proof-read and gramar corrections.

Help us to make book reality, make a donation HERE

ps. i will post list of donars here, so everyone will see who do donations and how many, and once it reach starting summ, no more need it.
    

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Re: AmigaOS4 programming: new article and announcement of bo
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If you want to produce a hard copy publication I suggest you try people like www.lulu.com.

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@royleith:
That looks interesting. I would certainly like to buy a hardcopy.

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Me too.


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(Small) donation made!

Keep up the good work!


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skuggan, well, there is this ... you know.. dopus bounty.. ahemm... ;)


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Great one, but again support from Serbia is crippled by no PayPal (arrghh!)

Will check MoneyHookers, that should work and workaround some support in the future of good and decent Amigans like kas1e even I don`t hold any programming skills

Update: MoneyBookers work with my Visa card and in Serbia, so I`ll PM Kas1e and dedicate little of my future teachers salary. Power2People people let me know if this alternative works around in the future, would donate small ones in the future.

Cant support everything simultaneously, but we can all at least do 10-20$ each month in turns, or more if we do better even in crisis.

Keep up the good work!

And would also order a harcopy just in case I get some old nice programmer

Спасибо за хорошую работу хороших людей
(Thank you for the good work, good people!)

Last edited by vox on 22-Mar-2012 at 06:09 PM.
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@massi
Thanks as well :)

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A worthwhile project and something that is currently lacking. The book should make a brilliant reference and get more people developing!


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Kas1e

Excellents news. Well done!

Unfortunately, the bounty has already been raised before I visited AW this morning. However, I would still like to make a contribution. Are you actively discouraging new donations?

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I would certainly like to buy a hardcopy.


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Donation made (using my wife's Paypal account! )

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@Trevor

Thanks a lot !

@all

If there is indeed interest in hard-copy, then why not. Not problematic in today's age.


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It would be nice to write about SetFunction()

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Yeah, that one also worth to describe deeply. As well as trap based ones, and co


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This is excellent news! I will check out your example chapter article as soon as I can.

I'd love to see information about writing driver-level things for OS4. (And any OS4 programming topic really, but driver/hardware stuff interests me most at the moment) I was very hopeful for the other OS4 programming book bounty, but that seemed to die off very quickly. I very much hope that your project is a success!


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There is another person already works on something like this, and his plans to make an application-based-programming book (through dunno when/if/etc).


Do you refer to this? If so, does anyone know if that's continuing? Last news was posted 2 years ago to introduce their website. I was very excited to hear about that one too, and then very disappointed that it does not appear to continue.


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Do you refer to this? If so, does anyone know if that's continuing? Last news was posted 2 years ago to introduce their website. I was very excited to hear about that one too, and then very disappointed that it does not appear to continue.


Yes and no. No , because its for sure die-project and better to not hold false hopes about anymore. Yes, because one of the the writiters who start to write articles in mind of that project to which you refer, still hold the idea to make a "gui programming book", but he have not so many time lately, so usuall "if/when/else". Some articles already done , but there is a lot to do still.

In end of all, if something will going slow with gui-based-book, we can somehow combine everything in one. Through will be better to have 2 different ones, one for application programmers (gui and stuff), and another one for low-level hacks.


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Hurrah! Kas1e, you made my dreams come true! Thanks for the article and good luck with the Book! Thanks :)

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@kas1e

What would be nice too is to have a low level debugger like Softice for windows.
I suppose that tools evolved but the list below was useful back in the day, it is maybe interesting to describe them and have example on how to use them.
Sushi, mungwall, segtracker, enforcer, showhunk, tnt.
Maybe something about grimreaper too.

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What would be nice too is to have a low level debugger like Softice for windows.


Yeah, that can be really good, but need someone who will spend years on making this. But sure, something like this can be very intersting and helpfull. I use Softice back in the past on x86/win , and it was nice hardcore.

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I suppose that tools evolved but the list below was useful back in the day, it is maybe interesting to describe them and have example on how to use them.
Sushi, mungwall, segtracker, enforcer, showhunk, tnt.
Maybe something about grimreaper too.


Right, those ones which worth for os4 today for sure.


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