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Hardware News   Hardware News : Multi-function PPC CPU card for the Commodore Amiga 3000 and 4000
   posted by opi on 27-May-2012 14:24:51 (8015 reads)
Gideon Zweijtzer (of 1541-Ultimate fame) and Rutger Bevaart have teamed up to bring renewed innovation to the Classical Amiga by announcing the UltimatePPC today, the ultimate CPU expansion card for the Amiga 3000 & 4000. This new card will bring unparalleled performance and many great new features to the Amiga series of computers that were not available previously and give current users a viable upgrade path for aging components.

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It also opens new possibilities for newer versions of the Amiga Operating System or alternatives to run on your classic hardware with great performance. The UltimatePPC puts your Amiga right back on your desk as the most versatile and fun computer that has ever existed!

Right now the UltimatePPC is in active development, we expect to be able to take pre-orders at the end of 2012. Please visit our project website at http://ultimateppc.nl for availability information, specifications and detailed status reports.

Gideon & Rutger

http://ultimateppc.nl/
    

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Re: Multi-function PPC CPU card for the Commodore Amiga 3000
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This is great news, a new hardware project for the Amiga.

If it's out there I'll be your first customer... thanks guys!


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Posted on 27-May-2012 15:49:40
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We will see at the end of year if this project will make any better than many Amiga related hardware ones. I guess it fill fail the same way, or will be some neverending story similar to NatAmi.

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Good luck. It is a CPU card, Deneb, FastATA and lots more all rolled into one.


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Posted on 27-May-2012 16:00:02
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Must admit this is very appealing.

I would be in line to buy one.

It has many of the features many of us have to buy extra cards to obtain... so it addresses most of the upgrade issues. Probably cheaper to buy this than to buy all the separate cards!

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Very interesting concept!

USB 2.0? Check
Modern PPC chip? Check
Ethernet functionality? Check
DDR3 Memory compatibility? Check
Embedded video functionality? Check

An all-in-one Amiga classic update board! Just add WarpUP/PowerUP/Picasso96 & Amiga OS4.1 support and this would be very nice indeed!!!

My only question is;

Is it compatible with the A4000T?


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@BigD

Please note that PPC CPU is not compatible with the existing PPC software and there is no PowerUp/WarpUp kernel you could port.


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@ itix

I have an A4000 just waiting for something like this, but did you just rain on my parade?

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Please note that PPC CPU is not compatible with the existing PPC software and there is no PowerUp/WarpUp kernel you could port.


e500 is not G4 compatible?

Surely OS 4.1 Classic could be adopted to it.

Off course, without OS 3.9, OS 4.x and MorphOS support card is useless


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Build it and they will port it?

Seems logical?

At the very least you should be able to use it as an 040 with lots of memory.

If you're sitting there with all this power at your fingertips you'd quickly dust off your programming skills and adapt a driver to SATA.

Then you'd move on to USB.

Then finally ethernet.

OS4.1 is a software package... it's in their best interests to make it compatible to new PPC hardware... as that's how you sell new software?

Some of this is likely to be done before release... and perhaps some after... but it's likely to get done.

BTW: We are able to run SATA devices on our existing PATA controllers with an adaptor... so it's likely we'll find a way of making it work even before we write the proper drivers for it.

Kinda wish it was USB3.0... but USB2.0 is already heaps better than USB1.0!!!

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"...............pre-orders at the end of 2012"

That means we'll see this in about 5 years.......and wouldn't it be more cost effective to just buy a Sam, PegII or Mac to run OS4?

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@vox

"e500 is not G4 compatible?"

e500, e500v1, e500v2 do not have Book-E specs compliant FPU.
P1013 has e500v2 that has incompatible singleprecision and doubleprecision math.

OS kernel woul need to disable the FPU or run emulator/wrapper for FPU instructions. It can be done but other people can explan better how hard it is to do and get it working well.


e500mc is Book-E compliant. (P2041, P4xxx, ...)

I hope Freescale gets out cheap T1xxx chip to replace P1xxx series ASAP.
Otherwise chip options look again too pricey for affordable but good performing low end.

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Why so many negative comments?

Maybe those commentators can do a better job them selfs?

This is a really cool projects


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So far I am extremely skeptical, but still hoping to get answers that will reduce my skepticsm.

@vox Quote:
e500 is not G4 compatible?

Someone on AW.net reported that the chosen PPC processor's FPU was not compatible with existing Amiga PPC processors. And that the FPU instruction set overlapped Altivec/etc.

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@ ChrisH

If that is the case then they should stick to a version of the card with no PPC. THere is certainly a market for an A3000/A4000 CPU card that includes RTG, SATA, USB and extra RAM.

I wouldn't pay for a PPC card unless I actually see OS4.x running on it.


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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35806&forum=25&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#667291

You cant drop PPC without dropping RTG, SATA and USB.


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@ Itix,

Ah, damn. Cheers for that info.


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Please note that PPC CPU is not compatible with the existing PPC software and there is no PowerUp/WarpUp kernel you could port.


Which leads me to think this was never a serious project in the first place. Add in the H&P reference to AOS, and this doesn't pass the smell test.


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best go for a CPU swap:
my post from morphzone "Perhaps APM82181 would be the best option for UlitimatePPCaccelerator kind of HW and for some PPC-efika killer ultra-low-end below 200 eur HW. (perhaps there also exist some suitable mobile GPU for miniPCIe connector, inside bigbox classic, or ePCIe should be used on classic accelerator kind of HW) http://www.hwtools.net/jpg/PE4H-PM3N-ver2.4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zFKr3.png (3d bench, red is for separate PCIe card and blue is laptop internal, more info http://i.imgur.com/4B7hU.png )"

APM82181 has a full FPU and L2 cache.
No Altivec, no GFX out and only 32bit DDR2 interface (max .512MB RAM) .
It should be more compatible than P1022, ok speed for low end and it can have 3DGPU via PCIe. And it is cheaper.


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Which leads me to think this was never a serious project in the first place. Add in the H&P reference to AOS, and this doesn't pass the smell test.


you're an expert in this "area"! don't you?


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