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software AROS   software AROS : AROS comes to the Sam460
   posted by elwood on 21-Oct-2012 11:21:17 (13540 reads)
Bassano del Grappa, 20 october 2012

On our never ending effort to always offer the best support to our customers, we are delighted to announce the availability of another operating system for our Sam460ex/AmigaOne 500 products.

Thanks to our agreement with Jason McMullan and before that with Michal Schulz, a native version of AROS has been presented at Amiwest and will be shown at the upcoming Pianeta Amiga in Italy (30 nov. 1-2 dec, 2012). AROS will be soon available for all our boards.

Many thanks to Jason McMullan, Michal Schulz and all AROS developers and community for their work and contribution.


Link to the original announcement: http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news
    

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so what is Nikosidis working on? AspireOS? so what is IcarOS? so what is ...


They are all x86 distributions that sit on top of AROS a bit like AmiKit, BetterWB and ClassicWB that all sit on top Workbench 3.x for 68K Amiga's.

They just make it much easier for normal users to install AROS rather than installing from the regular nightly AROS builds then installing any additional AROS x86 software binaries from Aminet and AROS Archives.

Anyway as a sam440ep user and an AROS user on my x86 Atom netbook I will look forward to giving the next PPC nightly build for my sam440ep a go as I am sure some of the bug fixes for this port will also help the sam440ep port as they are both PPC based


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then why do you post here? in turn os4 has interested me and therefore i post about it.


do you even know how to read?

you even managed to turn 1 line of information into 2 and make your own variant out if it.

look at the "and when i want to look into it i" which you entirely ignored and jumped straight to creature.

read the posts and then answer.


and now, maybe you should tell us the question i had about aros in the first place? , this is not a thread about you, its about AROS going SAM460.


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So does this mean than every single aros fork /branch or whatever will work? , every bloody time i go to Amigaworld there's a news item about a new aros branch or a new version of one or whatever u want to call it.



Each distro will work just the same way each linux distro works. ie The maintainer decides what he or she would like to have available. Tests it with the revision of AROS they choose and work on making the most stable distro they can have.


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I find it highly amusing that some people almost get offended by the speed, scale, openness and flexibility of opensource projects like AROS

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@dwyloc

oki thanks, great to get a good and detailed answer.
How much of these distros will be cross compatible ? , nothing?


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what do you mean by cross compatible? cross compatibility is a question of architecture. dont suppose magically to run x86 software on ppc or vice versa without emulation, or have you bought into that polymorph stuff? omg??!!

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@Toaks

On same architecture binaries are the same; unlike on linux that every distro have its own dependences and is compiled against a different set of libraries, AROS roots are all the same from nightlies and so you can get -in example - binaries from icaros and run it in Aspire OS; however, different architecture binaries (like x86 binaries on 68k or PPC in example) will of course not work. No problem at all instead for text, images and data files as usual.

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If you know how to port a few games Toaks you'd know the answer to your question yourself. Even I who couldn't port hello world could predict wava's answer.

Sometimes I wonder if people do this just to make AROS look less worth it's while ?


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How much of these distros will be cross compatible ? , nothing?


It alls depends on which processor is used.

Any x86-aros program will run on any x86 Version of AROS. Be it linux hosted, bsd-hosted or x86-native.


Any ppc-aros program will run on any ppc Version of AROS. Be it linux hosted, darwin-hosted or sam-native.


Any arm-aros program will run on any arm Version of AROS. Be it linux hosted, android-hosted or arm-native (if that will be created.

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@ manu

it was more about the distro , as in content and so on, and recompiles of the needed stuff to do so.


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from what i know and it should be quite obvious you can use all binaries for particular architecture no matter what distribution, nightly, hosted or native. the only difference there exists is that there are two aros generations:
v0 is the stable one currently common on x86, supported by all the x86 distros and third party contributions.
v1 is the development version, usually available only in form of nightlies currently without third party software except for automatically built contributions. aros 68k (and its distribution, "vision") belongs to this branch as part of the development v1 aimed at was improvement on amiga (68k) compatibility. sam ppc version will likely belong to this branch too, and i dont know if there will be a back port to v0. personally i would leave it be. instead i would get v1 as soon as possible out of the door for the regular user.

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this is great for Sam/AmigaOne 500 owners as now they can boot OS4.1, Linux, & AROS natively

wait does this alos mean that through AROS they can have 3d drivers ?


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@thread

i was very pleased to see this running on jason's SAM460 demonstrator this weekend at amiwest. it's always good to see AROS progressing to new platforms, especially one specifically used by amigans. wonderful job, and i look forward to seeing improvements to AROS on PPC over time.

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@eliyahu:
im not talking for anybody except myself, but if some users join and provide feedback jason might be easier convinced his initial effort was not in vain. of course id prefer he would return to maintaining 68k in first place and all that ppc stuff went down as soon as it gets but its up to you guys ;)

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wait does this alos mean that through AROS they can have 3d drivers ?

likely. contrary to os4, infrastructure is in place and just needs adjustments. even on aros68k gallium (software) is just around the corner from working. sad everybody thinks its not worth bothering...

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@wawa

i'd really love to, actually, but unfortunately i don't have a SAM460 yet. but i will say i really have enjoyed learning a bit about AROS and having the opportunity to meet and talk with jason and sam, both great guys. the coolest thing about AROS is that, unlike OS3, OS4, or MOS, it has the best documentation any developer could ever ask for: the source itself.

i've actually been perusing the source tree in my hotel room this evening. having access to this is awesome and something that i'm not sure everyone appreciates. open source is good for users, sure. but for folks actually interested in the internals of an OS, it's incomparable. i'm finding all sorts of nuggets in there that have helped me understand more about amigaOS 3.x in the past few hours than i have in reading documentation for the past few weeks.

freakin' awesome stuff.

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wait does this alos mean that through AROS they can have 3d drivers ?


Have this been presented by Jason during the show? Generally the software renderer in AROS mesa should work out of the box. For nVidia driver - I don't know if Nouveau is tested on BE machines. If not, it might require some work.


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"wait does this alos mean that through AROS they can have 3d drivers ?"

To my understanding, AROS uses x86 3D low level driver binary FROM NVidia.
And NVidia compiles their binary only for x86.

So:
No 3D for other than x86 on AROS. (and only for some NVidia 3D chips, not all NVidia chips)
At least not in any other form than Gallium3D in SW render mode.

And please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

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To my understanding, AROS uses x86 3D low level driver binary FROM NVidia.
And NVidia compiles their binary only for x86.


How about getting a clue before posting? "Gallium3D has been a part of Mesa since 2009[3] and is currently used by the free and open source graphics driver for Nvidia (nouveau project),[4][5] and by the free and open source graphics driver for ATI Radeon R300-R900" Source since using google is hard and assuming easy.

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I think the whole point of this port is just to give those people who like to work/experiment with AROS/PPC a motherboard on that they can do their stuff natively. That was (to the best of my knowledge) not existing before. A nice second benefit is that SAM-customers can now also work/experiment with it.


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