@vox

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He did spent his own money (in my own eyes, that is an overkill spending on PC - speed up compared to how much it will be worth in lets say a year) to buy productivity PC he needs. Not a bounty money in any way. And it might even help fulfilling the audio/gfx goals for AmigaOS,

Oh, well, I mean if he's going to use his PC to produce graphical assets for 4.1, then surely that's worth a bounty too. Why not?

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since they will all be done on PC - and tested on AmigaOS machine

Sorry but that's never even been the issue. I use a PC for creating Amiga stuff too. I'm using a cross compiler right now as I write this post and the binary it's building will be tested by several other volunteers in internetland since my "main" OS4 machine is dead right now and has been for a while. That's right, my 4.1 machine died. Did I complain? No. Do I expect the community to give me a replacement? No. I'm even cautious to borrow one, despite several offers, since the work I do for 4.1 is inherently dangerous (lots of graphics card swapping for testing and debugging) and in all probability was partially responsible for the failure of my system in the first place. I wouldn't want to break someone else's hardware.

Djnick could have just produced artwork on his PC in the first place and given the raw assets to someone that already had a system and some experience with theme creation. It's not like you need Photoshop to slice up already-created artwork. He could have had the creative/executive role and left the actual implementation to someone that knew what they were doing and could send him screenshots as feedback and work that way until he was happy. It would have been quicker than months wasted just trying to get his new machine booted.

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Currently SAM 460 with 2D RadeonHD drivers can`t do much. And since he has 4000 series card, waiting for 3D will be longer - until OS 4.2 as well all know 3D drivers are not yet planned for these. Then hope some presentational and inspirational works, as well as end of his bounty goals, and even more coming. But I will let him speak, that is just my guess based on situation.

I'm sorry, but the lack of 3D support on RadeonHD at this time has precisely what to do with producing themes? That's right. Nothing.

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@franko
didnt you know karlos is our agent provocateur behind os4 lines :D

@vox
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Currently SAM 460 with 2D RadeonHD drivers can`t do much. ... But I will let him speak...

could you stop bending facts to your current agenda? either is sam460 a good machine worth to donate to a developer or is it useless. pick your choice and dont swap the flag all the time. and, really, stop patronizing others, djnick can very well take the responsibility and answer for himself.

@karlos

thanks, feels good to read your opinion. i miss more people like you messing with aros together with us, woulnt that be fun?

Just a opinion: IF somebody wants to donate NG Amiga system for somebody outside of our community, it should be/have been Sam 440ep Flex, it has a best software/hardware support compared to any other ACube product. IF that person is going to do coding, it would also make sure that he/she will produce code that is useable with every OS4 system, as a side effect.

@karlos

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Oh, well, I mean if he's going to use his PC to produce graphical assets for 4.1, then surely that's worth a bounty too. Why not?

OK could do the work for someone else, like you, if requested. Only trying to point out that there is no direct link between PC purchase and the bounty

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That's right, my 4.1 machine died. Did I complain? No. Do I expect the community to give me a replacement? No. I'm even cautious to borrow one, despite several offers, since the work I do for 4.1 is inherently dangerous (lots of graphics card swapping for testing and debugging) and in all probability was partially responsible for the failure of my system in the first place. I wouldn't want to break someone else's hardware.

Sad to hear that, quite reasonable. As you want. Hope you will be able to get replacement system. Since next year when PayPay pal comes from Serbia I will be willing to support bounties for people willing to do anything to change software and drivers situation, since I am not able to code myself. Would love to have cross compiling manual on x86 Linux to target PPC AmigaOS if that is something most of us can do on PC and if it can help to have more software. Maybe this kind of clear manual and problems on job could be your bounty?

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I'm sorry, but the lack of 3D support on RadeonHD at this time has precisely what to do with producing themes? That's right. Nothing.

No it doesnt have anything to do with theme but has to do with last goals of making videos of what AmigaOS can do. No one expected drivers for SAM 460 would take this long. It also has something to do with people complaining that none or enough gfx or 3D is not created on AmigaOS in terms of bounty. It doesn`t matter that much as long as something is done, and it is linked to current AmigaOS software and drivers and not on wish not to use it.

@wawa
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could you stop bending facts to your current agenda? either is sam460 a good machine worth to donate to a developer or is it useless. pick your choice and dont swap the flag all the time. and, really, stop patronizing others, djnick can very well take the responsibility and answer for himself.

It has its pros and cons, but you are quite right - I should stop here. Man should speak for himself - I just know situation a bit better then average negative poster on the topic. SAM 460 is sadly in some areas yet less useless then SAM 440 even being way more powerful.

@utri007

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IF somebody wants to donate NG Amiga system for somebody outside of our community, it should be/have been Sam 440ep Flex, it has a best software/hardware support

Currently is so.

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Only trying to point out that there is no direct link between PC purchase and the bounty

Vox, I'm sorry. You seem to be trying to see only the positives and for that I admire you, but really?

In this very thread, he makes a point that the X1000 is too expensive and that for 850 EUR he built a "monster" PC upgrade. 850 EUR he didn't spent getting his Sam, which just like the X1000 is expensive for what you actually get when compared to PC kit. I'm sure he felt the 900EUR or whatever it was was too much for the Sam460 too or otherwise perhaps he might not have gone along with the notion of having it paid for by other people.

Just think about it for five minutes, would you?

He could have just kept silent about the PC upgrade. We all spend money on things beside our Amiga hobby. However, we don't all spend other people's money on our Amiga hobby, then do nothing but complain, make excuses, criticise the work of others when they actually accomplish what you claim you are going to, and once done, as icing on the cake, make it clear to the people that funded your system you could have bought it yourself anyway if you really put your mind to it.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the situation, but that seems like douchebaggery of the first order to me.

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I personal cannot feel upset because I did not donate and would not anyway. And I think because of good reasons. Most developers cross-compile and use PCs because they are the fastest. Everybody can get a PC even without investing huge amount of money. MOS can run on cheap hardware (at least when you only need it for testing). AROS runs on PC and is free of charge. 68k runs on PC too. Only AmigaOS is more difficult to get. But in most cases you can let others do the testing (if it already runs on MorphOS and/or AROS). You only really need AmigaOS when you want something that only runs on it and is heavily dependent on specific components. But how many programs do that really need? Donating computer to commercial companies (or developers) is a waste of money as long as the userbase is not big enough. So donating computers only make sense in rare cases.

Me like (hope for 3D suport in OS4.2)


oh and more X1000
great news!!!...


Keep it up

A-EON

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IMO as long as Dj Nick delivers he can buy any amount of pc's or flowers for his wife (gf?) he'd like to. It's his (or his company) money and not my problem what he decides to do with it.

It is fair enough to think that themes and eyecandy should not be priority but IMO customisation and nice skins have been part of the OS for a long long time and 30+ contributors at least considered it worth their contribution.

Whether or not he could have paid the system himself at the time I have no idea, it was a bounty suggested by an active developer who probably like me found the standard theme a bit to boring. Personally I could afford a new X1000 IF I changed my priorities but as I have a family and a new company my money has been spend on stuff that are of benefit for those and not just a computer for my personal hobby. The other stuff is simply just much more important and I would think that a new work PC is also of more importance for Nick than a SAM motherboard that allows him to do free work.

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I went to AmigaKit's website to see if I could find current pricing and this is what I found.

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Q: When will the AmigaOne X1000 be available for sale? A: As of March 2013, we are pleased to announce that a further batch will commence production in April, with delivery in Q3 2013 until end of year. We have a waiting list for the next batch. We now have sufficient customers to fulfill this current batch. If you wish to register for future news updates please email x1000@amigakit.com.

So my questions are now:

1 Are there more X1000s that are going to be available this year?

2 If so about how many months?

3Are just Nemo MB going to be available?

4 Does the price still start at about 1,800 GBP

I am trying to find information because my AmigaOnes are showing their age. One of them has been waiting for a CPU replacement for about 6 months and the other is growing more unstable. Since I use it for my business, I really need to keep a working machine. I know it is hard to keep all the info up to date as things change, but it would be nice to know if the X1000s are going to be available to new customers or if they are all sold out at this point. I guess I need to drop them an email!

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/

the basic price is 2.200 BPD (not 1.800) propably because of the price rise of the processor.

BTW why do you not use a PC based solution for your business?

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Please do not publicly post the X1000 ordering page link. The link is for the use of those being requested by AmigaKit to order their system. Thanks, Moxee

Taken from the AmigaKit page:
THIS PRODUCT PAGE IS FOR USE BY REGISTERED CUSTOMERS ON THE X1000 PRE-ORDER LIST AND BY INVITATION ONLY.
IF YOU WISH TO REGISTER YOUR INTEREST PLEASE GO HERE: www.amigakit.com/x1000[/b]

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@Olaf25

Why use a PC solution of his buissniss?

If he enjoys the Amiga/AmigaOS like many of the readers on this forum, isnt it a win win to be able to
use said computer system for someting useful/profitable?

@overflow

probably because its risky. in case of break down you hardly find a quick replacement, while usually its essential to keep your enterprise running. when you get the replacement, likely weeks later, it will be rather expensive, not an easy task to setup as it seems, and lacking a lot of basic apps especially in administration sector, if this is what it is supposed to do. and finally it would be hard to recover in case of data loss, especially on a foreign system, via a data recovery service, or even on a compatible machine, as the file systems are orthodox and there is usually no dependable recovery software.

Yes it is. But spending 3000 EUR for a system when you can get a better system for 600 EUR or less...

@Wawa

That is a reality.

I do my business accounts on My Sam440ep-flex using Turbocalc.
I have an emergency Amikit setup on a PC and I do a data backup to the PC and to a SFS/00 USB thumbdrive daily. I mirror the data on the thumbdrive to my Sam460ex every week or so. I purchased the Sam460ex in a hurry last year as Sam440ep-Flex would not boot up for a few days.Both Sams are working fine now though.I use the Sam440ep-flex during the day and the Sam460ex after work. Fun all day.

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@OlafS25

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Yes it is. But spending 3000 EUR for a system when you can get a better system for 600 EUR or less...

Better system??!?!?
Amiga is the better system for us, if it wasn't there would be zero Amiga users in the world since 1994.

Windows (which pretty much is the only alternative when one needs the latest technologies Amiga does not provide) is simply a very unpleasent system to use. Therefore we like to use Amiga as much as possible which is much more pleasent system that doesn't work against your or makes you wait for every single mouse click you make.

Your statement was actually pretty stupid to be made in an Amiga forum/Amiga HW news item.

I only use a PC when I absolutely have to because of Java or Flash requirement.

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We talk about a computer for business purposes. In this context it is not a "stupid" statement even on a amiga-forum.

Im sure he is aware of the vunerability of dataloss due to hardware failure, and most likely have taken steps to secure/back up data.

Im also sure he understands there are cheaper options out there.

If someone got an Amiga/sticks to it, then its better to actually put it to actual use than to just have it in a corner playing games from the 1990s.

I still do not understand your original comment. Do you not want people to find actual use for an Amiga?

Strange sentiment really.

I am using PC for business purposes. You need often software that you not get for amiga, you have to exchange data with the "real world" and there is in many cases no support for that. If he wants (and can afford) to spend 3000 EUR for a X1000 then I cannot and will not hinder him. Most people here (even on amigaworld) use PC (or Mac) for their everyday/business tasks. So I wonder why this creates so much response now.

My Use of Turbocalc and a NG Amiga capable of displaying a 1920x1080 screen saves me about 1.5 to2 Hours of time per day .

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