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software Classic   software Classic : New PPaint.com Now Online!
   posted by amigakit on 1-Dec-2014 20:15:50 (4871 reads)
The new official website of PPaint for the Amiga is now online: www.ppaint.com

This website provides a digital download payment page for the latest Classic AmigaOS 3 version of PPaint 7.3 for users who do not have access to AMIStore App Store.

It also hosts the latest information on developments, screen shots about Personal Paint. In the near future, update information and support pages will be added.

Note that existing AMIStore users who have purchased PPaint 7.3 OS4 version should use the app store to download the OS3 version for a cross platform special price (excludes gift purchases for others).

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Re: New PPaint.com Now Online!
Posted on 2-Dec-2014 23:17:35
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@Develin

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Well, thers is no icon for the PPaint drawer, there is however icons for everything else.
http://www.onyxsoft.se/stefan/temp/ppaint.txt


Okay, I wanted to make sure I hadn't put in the OS4 one by mistake.

Quote:

When it comes to blitter the settings said :
BLITLIBS = "personal_agnus_blit.library", "personal_cpu_blit.library", 1
but it tried to take agnus for some reason and I got a lockup.
But renaming that lib it went on working.


Sorry got the earlier post the wrong way round, it needs to be 0 at the end to use the cup blit lib. The number at the end corresponds to the state of the Amiga Blitter checkmark in Menu->Settings->Graphics.

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I just noticed that the swedish translation is rather poorly done, but that is another topic =)


All translations were inherited from the original project, so any contributions are welcome.


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Re: New PPaint.com Now Online!
Posted on 2-Dec-2014 23:20:44
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@cgutjahr 

The icon is of the "glowicon" type and set as a "tool".
There is however a tooltype saying "CLI" but I dunno what that means really =)


The icons in the 68k package should be 32 colour palettemaps icons with 4 colour fallback bit maps.

The icon for Ppaint itself was accidentaly left as "Start From Shell" which I presume would be ignored on 3.x or lower and probalbly explains the CLI tooltype.

Fix that detail in the current developement archive.


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Re: New PPaint.com Now Online!
Posted on 2-Dec-2014 23:26:40
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Wrong size is passed to FreeMem() or FreePooled(). Relatively harmless.


Really shouldn't be happening though, I take another look at the memory functions.


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Re: New PPaint.com Now Online!
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@andybroad

Any ideas why the selected tool fails complaining about not enough memory ?
I still have 800MB free ?

http://www.onyxsoft.se/stefan/temp/ppaint01.png


Shouldn't do that. How big a screen, image, area of image drawn with tool?

Does it happen every time?

PPaint make general assumption that is something failed it's lack of memory, so it may be a bogus error report.

Thanks for the feedback.


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Re: New PPaint.com Now Online!
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No, no, this is just not good enough, I want this latest version to be free and downloadable from Aminet right now!

Amiga users have rights you know. The right to be free. The right to software. The right to be silent when no one else is listening.

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jPV 
Re: New PPaint.com Now Online!
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Well, I bought 68k version of program mainly for the MorphOS use, for now.

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to disable amiga blitter, although it's supposed to autodetct morphos and do that anyway.


How do you detect MorphOS? I think the best way is to open exec and check with FindResident("MorphOS")

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Any ideas why the selected tool fails complaining about not enough memory ?
I still have 800MB free ?

http://www.onyxsoft.se/stefan/temp/ppaint01.png


I think this is related to that Amiga blitter option too. Actually this same happens with 7.1c and the tool doesn't work correctly with RTG setup on classic Amiga either if blitter is disabled. On my A1200/Mediator that tool doesn't fill the area, but it only draws outlines if I have Amiga blitter disabled, but works if blitter is enabled. On MorphOS it gives that out of memory error, but probably the same bug. And same bug happens with that other tool 3 buttons lower.. the one with free lines with fill.

And about that freemem issue, it seems to give those hits to the log here and there, not just on startup. It's pretty annoying that log gets flooded and it's hard to spot different bugs.

And I also found other issues pretty quickly... I guess this isn't probably the best place to give bug reports, but well... while I'm at it.

- Stencil option doesn't seem to work with any setup, you get crash when you edit stencil and try to proceed. Got the crash on MorphOS (log), A1200/P96/3.9 (pic) and A1200/AGA/3.1 (pic).

- For some reason if changing Image Format on real A1200s (RTG and AGA) you have option to use 512 colors on screen. If you select it, program quits/crashes. On MorphOS you only see 256 possible colors, which is how it should be I guess.

- If you use some non 1:1 modes like 640x256 or 1280x256 or x512, buttons don't look nor work correctly. They aren't graphically correct (pic) and if you select any other brush sets from that new panel they aren't shown in that bigger up/leftmost area. Original set stays visible and it fails to update it to newer.

- On Merge window, if you try to activate any buttons, they don't stay pressed and you can't see what's selected. If you select them from keyboard, then they stay pressed. Both real Amiga and MorphOS.

- Checkmarks are trashed in menus on A1200/AGA/3.1 (pic).

- If I launch program without startup-sequence on A1200/AGA/3.9 I get messed up graphics (pic). Works fine on 3.1 setup though. And if booted to full WB with RTG...

- On my yet another A1200/AGA/3.1 program crashes immediately when launched (pic), but it's almost a clone of my earlier mentioned machine where it works, so I'm not sure if its installation has got messed somehow... have to investigate this more before blaming anyone ;)

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Re: New PPaint.com Now Online!
Posted on 3-Dec-2014 20:24:13
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Well, I bought 68k version of program mainly for the MorphOS use, for now.

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to disable amiga blitter, although it's supposed to autodetct morphos and do that anyway.


How do you detect MorphOS? I think the best way is to open exec and check with FindResident("MorphOS")



Yes, it's supposed to that, but having refactored the libraries to SDI more or less from scratch it doesn't get called, will fix that.

Quote:

Quote:
Any ideas why the selected tool fails complaining about not enough memory ?
I still have 800MB free ?

http://www.onyxsoft.se/stefan/temp/ppaint01.png


I think this is related to that Amiga blitter option too. Actually this same happens with 7.1c and the tool doesn't work correctly with RTG setup on classic Amiga either if blitter is disabled. On my A1200/Mediator that tool doesn't fill the area, but it only draws outlines if I have Amiga blitter disabled, but works if blitter is enabled. On MorphOS it gives that out of memory error, but probably the same bug. And same bug happens with that other tool 3 buttons lower.. the one with free lines with fill.



Yes, there is an issue with the polygon fill tool on uaegfx, it uses graphics library area fill code, so I had thought it a quirk of uaegfx as it does work under OS4 (and it's not new coder written for os4 but original 68k code. Didn't realise that it also seem to affect the freehand fill. They do share code though.

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And about that freemem issue, it seems to give those hits to the log here and there, not just on startup. It's pretty annoying that log gets flooded and it's hard to spot different bugs.


Fixed.

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And I also found other issues pretty quickly... I guess this isn't probably the best place to give bug reports, but well... while I'm at it.


I'd much rather read you bug reports than hypex's attempt a humour a couple of lines up

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- Stencil option doesn't seem to work with any setup, you get crash when you edit stencil and try to proceed. Got the crash on MorphOS (log), A1200/P96/3.9 (pic) and A1200/AGA/3.1 (pic).


AmigaOS4 build works, but I can get a GR on proceed with the 68k build, investigating further.

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- For some reason if changing Image Format on real A1200s (RTG and AGA) you have option to use 512 colors on screen. If you select it, program quits/crashes. On MorphOS you only see 256 possible colors, which is how it should be I guess.


I think this was reported once during testing and never again reproduced. 512 colours is clearly impossible

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- If you
use some non 1:1 modes like 640x256 or 1280x256 or x512, buttons don't look nor work correctly. They aren't graphically correct (pic) and if you select any other brush sets from that new panel they aren't shown in that bigger up/leftmost area. Original set stays visible and it fails to update it to newer.


I know that new brush buttons don't render prettily at the very smallest size, but not come across condition where they don;t work on Os4, on WinUAE I get issues with the mouse not being able to move to all points on the screen, so haven't really been able to test the lowest resolutions completely.

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- On Merge window, if you try to activate any buttons, they don't stay pressed and you can't see what's selected. If you select them from keyboard, then they stay pressed. Both real Amiga and MorphOS.


Will look into that.

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- Checkmarks are trashed in menus on A1200/AGA/3.1 (pic).


Could be an image in fast mem, when it shouldn't be.

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- If I launch program without startup-sequence on A1200/AGA/3.9 I get messed up graphics (pic). Works fine on 3.1 setup though. And if booted to full WB with RTG...


That looks like what can happen when the agnus_blit is used with fastmem.

Quote:

- On my yet another A1200/AGA/3.1 program crashes immediately when launched (pic), but it's almost a clone of my earlier mentioned machine where it works, so I'm not sure if its installation has got messed somehow... have to investigate this more before blaming anyone ;)


Thanks for the feedback


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Re: New PPaint.com Now Online!
Posted on 4-Dec-2014 2:19:52
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I really appreciate your effort about developing Amiga software those days... but I think programs with Layers that can open large images and can be as much as compatible with PSDs will be the way to go. I hope improved / newer ArtEffect and / or PageStream will see the light of the day.


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Posted on 4-Dec-2014 6:14:05
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I know that new brush buttons don't render prettily at the very smallest size, but not come across condition where they don;t work on Os4, on WinUAE I get issues with the mouse not being able to move to all points on the screen, so haven't really been able to test the lowest resolutions completely.


They did work on 320x256 though, but those non square pixel modes were problematic...

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I really appreciate your effort about developing Amiga software those days... but I think programs with Layers that can open large images and can be as much as compatible with PSDs will be the way to go. I hope improved / newer ArtEffect and / or PageStream will see the light of the day.


I end up using both PPaint and ArtEffect many times. PPaint is still good for fixing small images, especially some web or gui gfx.

And if you make games/demos for Amiga, you have to tinker a lot with palettes and PPaint excels on that.

IMHO both pixeling and painting program are still very useful, and it can be hard to combine characteristics of the both.


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Posted on 4-Dec-2014 17:13:36
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but I think programs with Layers that can open large images

There are 2 different problems, and this program is for the other one, while you seem to be more interested in fixing the first one.

On classics, there was plenty (PPaint, DPaint, Brilliance...), but most of them don't run too well on NG systems, and there weren't many "good enough" newer replacements (Grafx2? NOTE: I acknowledge there are few rather good new gfx apps for both MorphOS and OS4, but afaik, they're more focused on true color, which is more important anyway)

So because of that, this is very much appreciated (of course native MorphOS version would be appreciated too )

Also, I don't think PPaint had any "too small" limits for opening images, or do I remember wrong? IIRC, if the image was bigger, you could just scroll around (like you have to do anyway, if editing fullscreen image with toolbar visible)

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@djnick

Sketchblock has layers.

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