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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 5-Jan-2015 13:14:09
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| Wow, surprisingly slow vs jit for x86 euae. Still though nice for people who spent thousands on their ppc systems to make it halfway to where people using rubbish dump machines were 8 years ago. Nice for those who have been waiting, but with an emulation core almost a decade out of date, and multitudes of times slower vs. Winuae (given equal raw resources, but seeing as a high end PC is 10x or more powerful than fastest ppc system the difference in performance is huge), its far from a sales point.
Moderation note: This post is clearly trolling. You can be stating facts and still trolling. Its 2015, lets the hobbyists who had the will to endure posts like yours for all these years enjoy something without raining down on it. The "sales point" is its something new for a machine that is a fun hobby to people. -fairlanefastback Last edited by fairlanefastback on 13-Jan-2015 at 08:00 AM. Last edited by fishy_fis on 05-Jan-2015 at 01:49 PM. Last edited by fishy_fis on 05-Jan-2015 at 01:15 PM.
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 5-Jan-2015 16:14:52
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| MAJOR MILESTONE!! THank you
@fishy_fis Actually it seems the x86 code is the one that is outdated and old.. _________________
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 5-Jan-2015 17:50:09
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| @fishy_fis
So go using your x86 machine then _________________ BACK FOR THE FUTURE
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 5-Jan-2015 23:14:07
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| @Jose
Huh, what drugs are you on, and mind sharing? EUAE emulation core is from Winuae pre 1.x, close to 10 years old. UAE has come a long, long way since, almost to the point that they're incomparable. Even attempts to update euae like p-uae are obsolete by about 5 years. Where did you get this highly amusing idea that x86 uae was outdated and old? All this ppc uae jit brings that's new is jit, and seemingly inferior to the decade old x86 jit that euae has.
@Samo79
I have zero interest in obscenely expensive, outdated hardware running outdated software in an inferior way, so yes, I will continue to use x86. Didn't really need it, but thanks for the suggestion.
Kinda sad that my $150 Atom tablet outdoes a machine 20x+ in price for UAE.
Despite not having much positive to say about the farce that is OS4, I do actually think the jit for ppc use is a cool piece of software. I can appreciate it for what it is, and am sure it'll be quite handy, especially (ironically) outside of the Amiga scene. |
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 5-Jan-2015 23:18:06
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| @fishy_fis
do you think it is fair to developers and users when you say such things? if you find any work done for our beloved machine ridiculous because of the work being done by people doing it for passion and fun so that we can have fun, then you must go another place, because this is surely not the right place for you _________________ nox's in the house!
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 5-Jan-2015 23:44:19
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| Is the truth fair? That's almost philosophical :)
Nothing I've said is innacurate, and we're all entitled to our opinions. Personally I'm more offended by all the pretending than I am the truth.
And for the record, I don't seem to recall a "must pretend to be happy with everything in the Amiga scene" check box when I signed up to the site. Also, I've done a shed load of development and ports to Amiga/amigaoid systems, so it's not like I'm anti-amiga. I've done more for the system than most of the people feigning outrage 'cos they got a little truth on them. |
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 2:02:01
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| @fishy_fis
Despite the version number E-UAE is based to WinUAE 1.x + some other recent code It's old ? of course it's old thanks for the info, but it's more than enough to play
Do we need a 3.0 code port ? Of course would be great to have a recent code, maybe one day we will uptodate.
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 3:32:28
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| Haha,
Seriously? Do you think its normal to misquote someone and respond to that?
I'm the one who said it. Misquoting me doesn't change what I said, even if you put it in quotes and respond to it.
And for the record euae started out mimicking winuae version numbers, but kept its own number version system shortly after (winuae hit v1 halfway through euae's development). Last edited by fishy_fis on 06-Jan-2015 at 03:55 AM. Last edited by fishy_fis on 06-Jan-2015 at 03:53 AM. Last edited by fishy_fis on 06-Jan-2015 at 03:51 AM.
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 3:50:37
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| Please tell me when you are finished, you know this is not your personal thread. _________________ BACK FOR THE FUTURE
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 4:03:38
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| And yet I keep getting addressed.
So which is it? You want to address me, or I shouldnt have an opinion? Make up your mind please. If you're going to respond to me with nonsense (like misquotes that you're well aware of) then expect me to respond. Its far from rocket science.
I made a single post offering my opinion, all others have been responses. I'd have happily left it at that had the responses been something other than silly. Last edited by fishy_fis on 06-Jan-2015 at 04:08 AM.
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 4:40:37
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| hey fishy, Rachy did alot of hard work for our little end of the matrix in Amiga user land so please have some courtesy or at least constructive criticism when responding to a thread started by the author of the program in question. The majority of us have the latest and greatest PC on our desks and still choose to use AmigaOS today so your condescending comments are quite silly to say the least.
Perhaps you can start a thread to discuss the performance issues between Winuae and E-uae and leave this one alone eh. Last edited by klx300r on 06-Jan-2015 at 04:42 AM.
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 5:25:53
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| @fishy_fis
I don`t understand your propulsion something to write here. You don`t have an Amiga and have no interests for Amiga. Please don`t talk bullshit, go back in your cave and take psychotropic drugs. Normal drugs and alcohol doesn`t help you Poor guy
Moderation note: I get that you are frustrated and I get that moderation is greatly absent on this site these days. But please no personal attacks. Try to ignore when someone is trolling please - fairlanefastback Last edited by fairlanefastback on 13-Jan-2015 at 08:04 AM. Last edited by tommysammy on 06-Jan-2015 at 05:26 AM.
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 6:06:40
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| @TommySammy
Dude, you're a clown. I have Amigas, use Amigas, heck I even develop for Amigas. Just because I don't automatically praise everything that happens here doesn't mean I don't have an opinion.
Sersiously, quit the crap you clearly have no idea about. Seems every time I say something you dont agree on you're quickly there to show your ignorance. Get a life guy. Not everyone is as blind eyed as yourself. Accept it and perhaps you won't feel the need to be offended when people have a different opinion. Might also help you to stop making up crap to support your (chortle) "arguments".
Also, just curious, but do you think a personal attack is reasonable, simply because they voice some discontent over something? If you do perhaps you should lay off those psychotics you mentioned.
@klx3oor
Fair enough, but if you read what I wrote again you'll see I did say I thought it was cool to have. I was merely disappointed in the results. Years of waiting and end result is slower than any other uae jit emulation (including euae). Also, do you really think this was done out of pure kindness? I daresay the thousands of euro was a little added incentive
@thosewhobothertoread
I guess I did start off a bit negatively, and I do appologize for that. An open source 68k jit CPU emulation core for ppc is a very cool thing to have. Plugging in any existing gaps that exist in regards to CPU emulation, for any architecture is something I'm all for. Perhaps my dislike of OS4 hardware seeped into my comments a little.
Moderation note: If you feel you are being personally attacked report the post, don't seek to escalate the conflict. Discontent is fine, however learn to write in a constructive manner where you are not piling on in order to troll. - fairlanefastback Last edited by fairlanefastback on 13-Jan-2015 at 08:11 AM. Last edited by fishy_fis on 06-Jan-2015 at 06:57 AM. Last edited by fishy_fis on 06-Jan-2015 at 06:54 AM. Last edited by fishy_fis on 06-Jan-2015 at 06:19 AM. Last edited by fishy_fis on 06-Jan-2015 at 06:14 AM. Last edited by fishy_fis on 06-Jan-2015 at 06:07 AM.
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 7:55:15
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Huh, what drugs are you on, and mind sharing? EUAE emulation core is from Winuae pre 1.x, close to 10 years old. UAE has come a long, long way since, almost to the point that they're incomparable. Even attempts to update euae like p-uae are obsolete by about 5 years. Where did you get this highly amusing idea that x86 uae was outdated and old? All this ppc uae jit brings that's new is jit, and seemingly inferior to the decade old x86 jit that euae has. |
I think Jose was referring to what Álmos wrote on the E-UAE JIT blog:
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When I had a few email rounds with Toni Wilen, maintainer of WinUAE, he complained about the x86 implementation and mentioned that it is completely outdated in the era of x64 architecture. Unfortunately, the ancient x86 implementation is so complicated and messy that nobody is brave enough to touch it. (This is why I started my own implementation instead of porting the x86 version.) |
While the new JIT for PPC might be (haven't tried it yet) slower than it's x86 counterpart, it should be much easier to port to other architectures - such as x64 just to name a few...Last edited by Pecosbil on 06-Jan-2015 at 08:01 AM. Last edited by Pecosbil on 06-Jan-2015 at 07:56 AM.
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 9:52:19
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| @fishy_fis
I'm aware of your opinions about OS4 hardware and have a fairly decent memory. I don't think I need a refresher in every OS4 related thread. I suspect that many of those replying to you feel the same way. |
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 19:27:20
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 6-Jan-2015 22:17:06
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That's really sad to hear. |
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 7-Jan-2015 4:03:57
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| Is it possible to get fullscreen with this version? Is it implemented in the OS4 version? It doesn't seem to work for me. |
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 7-Jan-2015 15:20:29
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| @Steady
Nothing has changed in that regard, so I assume you aren't able to get fullscreen in previous versions either?
If you're using the amigfx version, edit the .uaerc and add/change this:
amiga.screen_type=ask
That will open a requester when you start it, so you can pick a screen. You can also use lctrl+lalt+s (hold all 3, but press in that order) to bring up a requester. Clicking cancel will make it revert to windowed mode.
You can also set
gfx_fullscreen_amiga=true
And set width/height to 640x480 as that's the most compatible. Check that you have a 640x480 screenmode available in your screenmode prefs (you don't have to select it, but just make sure one exists). |
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Re: E-UAE PowerPC JIT v1.0.0 Posted on 7-Jan-2015 17:35:07
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| I've choosen to be away from the Amiga for a while, not because I don't love it but because of this. We got this guy who's done all this work over 4 years. Yes it's faster on WinUAE. I could use it on a PC in 2002 with a PII-350MHz and it worked almost as well as my maxed out a4k. Using it on my a1 xe I can play Aladdin now but not 3D-games which is... well... it was expected that it would work so I'm too a bit confused and disapointed. It just feals that 4 years of work has gained less than it should've. And it just hurts in a way.
But I won't complain and I'm happy for what he's done and I'll continue to use what pleases me most and right now I'm using AOS 4.1 FE but when it isn't enough I switch to something else because WinUAE works better and is faster. You can't argue with that it's just a fact. |
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