@number6

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September 17, 2008

Where is legal basis for OS4 on SAM in 2001 Agreement?

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Perhaps more interesting, is Bill McEwen's statement a year earlier:

I don´t think we can value his words for Pianeta Amiga as formal license...

@pavlor

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don´t think we can value his words for Pianeta Amiga as formal license...

Here's the complete original text taken from the .mp3 btw:

http://www.amigaflame.com/amibills.htm

and of course not! Amiga Inc. personnel at the time were somewhat amazed, if not horrified to hear that this .mp3 was played at the show and making these statements.

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number6 wrote: @pavlor Quote: don´t think we can value his words for Pianeta Amiga as formal license... Here's the complete original text taken from the .mp3 btw: http://www.amigaflame.com/amibills.htm and of course not! Amiga Inc. personnel at the time were somewhat amazed, if not horrified to hear that this .mp3 was played at the show and making these statements. #6

... from your amazing archives

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Dam he was good at talking bull shit...

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@g01df1sh

I fear Bill was sincere in his words... in his own strange way.

@pavlor

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Where is legal basis for OS4 on SAM in 2001 Agreement?

Hardware like the Sam440 would technically be valid "Target-Hardware" but since Amiga Inc had already terminated the agreement by that time it is pretty much irrelevant to OS4 being released for the Sam440.

"Target-Hardware" means the PPC based hardware developed and marketed for the Amiga platform including but not limited to the hardware developed and marketed by Phase 5, DCE, and the AmigaOne hardware developed by Escena under contract with the Amiga One Partners.

About half way down the second page of the agreement.

Link

@number6

What year Bill's talk is from ?

@g01df1sh
What was BS in Bill's talk ?

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@Tomppeli

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What year Bill's talk is from ?

Sorry, I see the link to the transcript isn't clearly dated.

Here's the corresponding news story from mordock:

September 24, 2006

Embedded link to the .mp3 appears to be dead. That's ok. Everyone and their brother has it. heh.

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@number6, Tomppeli and others

I simply can't believe it. Are you arguing about legicimacy of a port of OS4 eight years after if was presented at Pianeta Amiga? Even though no one had to complain when it was officially released? o__O

This is exactly what I mean when I say this community is sick and doomed.

Please, wake up. Grow up. Come back on the planet Earth. Look at reality. Be concrete. Is all this buzz about 'legality' what this community can produce? That's probably the saddest argument I've ever read about, here, in 10+ years: arguing wether a port to SAM of OS4 was legit or not after YEARS, when there might be hardly a few thousands SAMs all around the globe and THIS had been the only official "NG Amiga" hardware base for a while (well, if you forget the few hundreds X1000s sold by A-Eon).

@paolone

But even less understandable, to me, is complaining about this community being sick and doomed while taking part to it. You don't scream to a madman that he's mad, what's the point, you're not bringing him back to sanity.

Either you bask in this asylum and go along with the childish behavior, the pointless talk, the stupid ideas, the arrogant pricks, the ignorance, the fraudsters and the broken english - or you don't.

It's a community about a 30 years old piece of hardware that died 20 years ago, a substandard OS taken hostage by a half-baked toy company in the Netherlands, a bunch of snake oil vendors and amateur-hour projects whose creators give handjobs... I mean praise one each other.

What else do you expect?
Go Amigaworld! Lawsuits, crashy utilities and bizarre porn games for everyone!




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@number6

Still online, courtesy of archive.org:

http://web.archive.org/web/20061027081631/http://www.pianetaamiga.it/PianetaAmiga.mp3

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I see you are here
Please help us on this thread :
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=100835#forumpost100835

Alain

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PM sent.

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paolone wrote: This is exactly what I mean when I say this community is sick and doomed.

But who's to blame here? The community in general or the people that separated it in 3 different camps (not to mention the original 68k Amiga)?

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@paolone

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Are you arguing about legicimacy of a port of OS4 eight years after if was presented at Pianeta Amiga?

CLEARLY only Pavlor alluded to that, NOT myself or Tomppeli. Tomppeli merely asked for information concerning historical references, which myself and Varthall supplied.

I'm sorry if you got the wrong idea about all this. But frankly, even the "teams" ask me for dates, references to events, status of companies, etc.
If having to read these facts is abhorent to you, again...I apologize.

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@Phantom

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But who's to blame here? The community in general or the people that separated it in 3 different camps (not to mention the original 68k Amiga)?

Separated? AROS and MorphOS pre-date OS4.
And, obviously the 68K system advocates can't have 'separated' as they own legacy equipment.

I don't think of these as 'camps', rather as options.

So could you save the rabble rousing for venues frequented by only the OS4 'camp'?

@iggy

"I don't think of these as 'camps', rather as options" that is so spot on...

@Phantom

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But who's to blame here? The community in general or the people that separated it in 3 different camps (not to mention the original 68k Amiga)?

The community in general? No, I'd start in particular with the people continuously whining about the 3 different camps.

The 3 (4, counting 68K) camps should be motivation for 1) competing on a similar technology field, making a sane race to get missing features and 2) collaborate on these similarities, in order to make at least a single market out of these camps. Maybe starting with a "after all everything is Amiga" attitude, instead of this sick and bully "my camp is dah only tru 'migaaaaaaah". There are simply no numbers to make war.

@thread

i would highly encourage actual customers to contact hyperion directly with their concerns in addition to posting here and on the forums. it's vitally important that hyperion get direct feedback from its users so they can set their priorities accordingly. IMO, of course.

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@number6

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CLEARLY only Pavlor alluded to that

Exactly.

Legal status of OS4 on SAM in 2008-2009 timeframe is living topic only for historians (like myself).

Speaking about SAM... History of AmigaOS on AmigaOS.net states:

22 October 2007
ACube's Sam440ep released for end users with a beta version of AmigaOS 4.0

Anyone has source for this information?